Fatal flaw in QB play

[O.city]

Slow day here, let's drive some conversation.

With the Rams moving up for a qb and these young qbs coming into the league taking over for the old guard, I think there are some interesting questions to be asked.

When looking at qb prospects, which "flaws" that they might have do you consider fatal?

So now you may ask, "o.city, define fatal flaws". Well, to me, it's inconsistencies that can't be learned or corrected.

The biggest one to me for a young qb, is accuracy issues. I feel too much of that is an innate thing that either you have or you dont and I consider qbs who struggle with accuracy to have a fatal flaw.

So, which flaws do you consider fatal?

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Toby Waller

no stars are ever named
Abromowitz
lipschitz
Dybzinski
Horowitz
Golsteyn
it has to sound cool

That's because Jews suck at sports, moron

[threebag]

Originally Posted by Toby Waller

no stars are ever named
Abromowitz
lipschitz
Dybzinski
Horowitz
Golsteyn
it has to sound cool

Racist

[Toby Waller]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

That's because Jews suck at sports, moron

no,guys have had that name in sports but they never get to be the star.
it has nothing to do with your religious assumption.
greeks,Italians,Germans,Polish a lot of whom were Jewish filled most of the spots in the 30s through the 60s.

Football today is dominated by the discussion of the central role that the forward pass plays in the sport. This role would not have been possible without Sid Luckman, the Jewish quarterback who played for the Chicago Bears in the 1930s and 1940s. On his death, The New York Times noted that Luckman’s skill with the forward pass “helped trigger a revolution in how the game of football was played” and that he was “the best all-around football player that New York City ever developed.”

When professional basketball was organized in the 1930s and 1940s, for instance, it was widely known as “Jew ball” because of the large and important role of Jewish players. A Jewish player named Ossie Schectman scored the first basket ever in the first American professional basketball league.

In major league baseball baseball, there were at least six Jewish All-Stars right before and after World War II, including some very prominent ones. Hank Greenberg, for example, was a Hall of Fame player and was twice named the Most Valuable Player in all of baseball. A debate still rages about whether pitchers avoided throwing him strikes in 1938 to ensure he did not break Babe Ruth’s single-season home run record.

[Toby Waller]

Originally Posted by threebag02

Racist

but I'm black,remember?

lol I just looked at my banner below

[Hoopsdoc]

Originally Posted by Toby Waller

My name heritage research is spot on.
You are forgiven.
You are going to argue that the coolest names ever, like Joe Montana and Johnny Unitas was just pure chance as being considered greatest QB'S ever ?
Star players have star names. Bart Starr.
Wentz and Goff won't be stars.
Connor Cook is a maybe.

What about 7 time all star and 3 time mvp Alexander Ovechkin? Wait, hockey's not really a sport, never mind......

[Toby Waller]

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc

What about 7 time all star and 3 time mvp Alexander Ovechkin? Wait, hockey's not really a sport, never mind......

Hockey is not predominantly an American sport obviously but I'll play your game. The Greatest ever had a simple name,..Wayne Gretzky..and he looked like a blond Angel with a mullet. And when he left Edmonton, they made sure he played in LA and NY. How lucky to have the greatest ever play in the 2 biggest American markets.

[Chiefshrink]

1. Not having a work ethic.
2. Not having a true passion for the game let alone for the QB position.
3. These result in not being a "gamer".

These are 2 fatal flaws that expose even the best athletic passing QBs in due time.

If you have the work ethic and passion for the game/QB position they can make up for a lot. Both go hand in hand IMHO. Yes, some talent is needed but not as much as you would think IF you are willing to work and have a passion for the game. Peyton and Tom are perfect examples. Below average in almost all athletic measurables(not talking game stats here) coming out of college. But because of their work ethic and passion for the game they improved their athletic measurables and even more important actually becoming true students of the game/QB position to the point of having the mind and eyes of a D coordinator. Knowing exactly what the D coordinator is trying to do to you and being able change the play or bluff back depending.

When you have work ethic and passion you will always be a "gamer" which is so huge IMHO. Never believing your are beat and always trying to make a play even if you are down 14 pts with 3 minutes to go. You never believe for a second that you are beat until the clock and score say so. All the great QBs have this ability.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

1. Not having a work ethic.
2. Not having a true passion for the game let alone for the QB position.
3. These result in not being a "gamer".

These are 2 fatal flaws that expose even the best athletic passing QBs in due time.

If you have the work ethic and passion for the game/QB position they can make up for a lot. Both go hand in hand IMHO. Yes, some talent is needed but not as much as you would think IF you are willing to work and have a passion for the game. Peyton and Tom are perfect examples. Below average in almost all athletic measurables(not talking game stats here) coming out of college. But because of their work ethic and passion for the game they improved their athletic measurables and even more important actually becoming true students of the game/QB position to the point of having the mind and eyes of a D coordinator. Knowing exactly what the D coordinator is trying to do to you and being able change the play or bluff back depending.

When you have work ethic and passion you will always be a "gamer" which is so huge IMHO. Never believing your are beat and always trying to make a play even if you are down 14 pts with 3 minutes to go. You never believe for a second that you are beat until the clock and score say so. All the great QBs have this ability.

You're discounting talent way too much here.

This reads like a job description for Matt Cassel. I mean, if Cassel were actually worth a shit.

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by Dagnabit

You're discounting talent way too much here.

This reads like a job description for Matt Cassel. I mean, if Cassel were actually worth a shit.

Well re-reading it I can see how that would be mis-interpreted. Yes you need talent but my point being Brady for example was unimpressive in college and athletically average at best. And yes the physical talent must be there whether already evident or the potential to be developed. And there is the crux some scouts eyes are better than others.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Dagnabit

You're discounting talent way too much here.

This reads like a job description for Matt Cassel. I mean, if Cassel were actually worth a shit.

Or Tebow. Or EJ Manuel. Or Ryan Fitzpatrick. Or any other shitty "gamer" QB.

If you gave me the choice between putting my franchise in the hands of Johnny try-hard or someone like Brodie Croyle whose intentions were good, but he couldn't stay healthy, I'd take the risk on Brodie Croyle each and every time particularly because he had the ability to be an accurate thrower.

His career was a mess, but Cassel's was equally a shithole. The only reason why we still talk about him is because he could actually stay healthy.

[tmax63]

Always liked football because attitude and work ethic could make up for lesser skill UNTIL you get to the NFL level. To parrot most people on this thread...
1. accuracy, you either have NFL accuracy or you don't.
2. reading the defense/intelligence. Walking up to the line like Peyton did and being able to tell you what the defense was and where to attack before he had the ball snapped 99% of the time is a extremely rare gift that was developed thru years of film study. As much as I disliked him I respected his ability to do this.
3. being a good teammate/person. Players don't excel in the NFL without help from teammates whether it's a receiver that lays out to get the tuff throw or the guard who chips the guy next to him and so on. You don't get the last 5% of someone giving "110%" if you're an azzhole and that is the difference between good and elite or elite and great.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Or Tebow. Or EJ Manuel. Or Ryan Fitzpatrick. Or any other shitty "gamer" QB.

If you gave me the choice between putting my franchise in the hands of Johnny try-hard or someone like Brodie Croyle whose intentions were good, but he couldn't stay healthy, I'd take the risk on Brodie Croyle each and every time particularly because he had the ability to be an accurate thrower.

His career was a mess, but Cassel's was equally a shithole. The only reason why we still talk about him is because he could actually stay healthy.

Don't you just hate shitty QB's who's only "redeeming" factor is the ability to stay upright, and continue being shitty?

God, what a curse.

[threebag]

Originally Posted by Dagnabit

Don't you just hate shitty QB's who's only "redeeming" factor is the ability to stay upright, and continue being shitty?

God, what a curse.

And here it comes.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by threebag02

And here it comes.

Nope. Go in peace my child. I've got 5 years of Big Rapin', 4th Down Haley, and an institution where "trust the process" actually yields fruit.

[TinyEvel]

Being Johnny Manziel