Chiefs Late night bullshit: drafting Geno now? Almost as big a coup as getting Montana in 93 - Page 20

Direckshun · 03-04-2013, 11:04 PM

Andy Reid has long been capable of thinking outside the box, and his track record backs that up. But acquiring Alex Smith for two 2nds for the sole purpose of giving the #1 overall guy time to develop would be among the most ambitious ideas he's ever had.

Nonetheless, I believe the Chiefs could be shifting in that direction. They've clung to WR Dwayne Bowe, they've tagged LT Branden Albert, they're on the verge of signing CB Sean Smith to start across from Flowers, and they have reached out to DE/DT Chris Canty (and in my hypothetical, as we've all long believed, Poe's talents might be better suited at DE anyway).

So it becomes official, then: unless the Chiefs do not actually find a single starting-caliber DE, they are simply not drafting to plug a hole with the #1 overall pick. Therefore, they can simply make the pick that helps them the most in the long run -- because if there is a single pick in the NFL Draft that should be made with the long run exclusively in mind, it's the first overall.

HC Andy Reid and GM John Dorsey talked down the QBs in this draft for weeks ever since they were ushered in by team owner Clark Hunt. But that was before the Combine, which had to have been a game changer. New WRs coach David Culley was on the turf at the RCA Dome as he asked all the QBs to throw very specific passes, one after another, to the WRs he was observing. And what was supposed to be a drill to determine WR talent actually determined the QB position once and for all. Quick outs, deep post runs, back shoulder bombs... All of the QBs had some good throws, most of them had off throws, and a good number of them were just terrible. Only one QB really separated himself with Croyle-esque darts on the short throws and beautiful Rodgers-esque accuracy on the deep balls.

Every pass. "Good throw!" "Great throw!" "Now that's a pass!" With a Chiefs coach literally five feet from him, Geno hit every single pass he was asked to deliver, on rhythm. Is there any doubt Culley raved to Reid when they convened later that afternoon? It had to immediately make them reassess.

They had long known this guy was not a world beater at West Virginia. He was a machine some games but lacked the drive to will his team to victories in other games. And West Virginia's coaching staff is said to be one of the least friendly and hospitable to NFL personnel in terms of sharing in formation. But with no filter between them and Geno, they saw his tools -- he was athletic, healthy, good natured, strong, and lest there be any doubt: one hell of a passer.

While they weren't sure that this guy is the future of the Chiefs, they became more willing than ever to find out. They made an incredibly aggressive move to lock down Alex Smith so Geno could ostensibly feel zero pressure as the Chiefs staff begins to groom him, all the while Alex Smith keeps the Chiefs competitive and helps Geno's apparent need to better absorb coaching (thanks, Mariucci). They made sure that any Chiefs QB for the next five years has the best WR in team history to throw to, and locked down Albert for the year, and hopefully for years beyond. Meanwhile, they made aggressive, potentially illegal moves to fill the teams neediest positions at CB and DE.

In short, Andy Reid came to Kansas City because he knew the talent was already amazing, save for one shitty exception at the team's most important position, and he used the best leverage he had at his disposal to fix it in the short and long term.

Should Andy Reid land this pick, he will perhaps have landed the team's biggest coup since Carl Peterson traded for Joe Montana in 1993.

Hootie · 03-05-2013, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Nobody wanted the #3 spot in 2009, so what makes you so sure someone wants #1 in this draft?

you = dipshit

in 2009 we had to give Tyson Jackson $33M guaranteed

in 2013 the #1 pick gets 4 years and $25M total.

EVERYONE can trade for the #1 now...

it went from an untradeable burden to a totally, 100% tradeable pick.

Shit, if the Baltimore Ravens felt like they needed Luke ****ing Joeckel they could realistically now trade up to #1 from #32 and give us their 2nd, 4th and a 2014 1st and it would literally make sense if they thought he was head and shoulders the best player on the board.

The new CBA made picks 1-5 tradeable assets again.

so why don't you try and use critical thinking before you post again

Fritz88 · 03-05-2013, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Rookie cap helps.

2 million difference makes difference with Cap issues.
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Hootie · 03-05-2013, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM

Hootie now leads a new group of 'baters

dude, I was never a drafturbator or a leader of drafturbators

I've always been an independent. I'm the independent voice of reason, everyone knows that.

Pasta Little Brioni · 03-05-2013, 01:44 AM

That dude should have "Passed On" by now. The Patriot Way is dead in KC.

**RealSNR** · 03-05-2013, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Nobody wanted the #3 spot in 2009, so what makes you so sure someone wants #1 in this draft?

BTW, just wondering if I answered your question earlier, and if you agreed, specifically.

A REAL veteran presence or two on the defensive line is going to be far more beneficial to the Chiefs right now than taking more athletic motor guys with no pass rush moves.

penbrook · 03-05-2013, 01:45 AM

If we trade back we could draft cordarelle patterson.

Pasta Little Brioni · 03-05-2013, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

dude, I was never a drafturbator or a leader of drafturbators

I've always been an independent. I'm the independent voice of reason, everyone knows that.

twas a joke. I remember the war well.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-05-2013, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

this has nothing to do with your football takes...I actually agree with a lot of what you're saying

I've been the guy defending Alex Smith from all of the "he's Matt Cassel version 2" shit.

you just attack, attack, and attack and I'm pretty sure you're putting yourself on the side of the fence you're putting yourself on just because it's the unpopular side and you like to argue and this is the best way

I don't understand your 180's.

I'm not naive enough to think the Chiefs are going to give a 2nd and 3rd for Alex Smith and then take a QB #1. I've gotten over that. I'm really happy with the moves they made today. I'm not completely sold they won't try and trade Albert now to try and recoup one of those picks they gave away for Smith and then take Joeckel #1 which will really piss me off...

but right now, I'm still assuming we don't take a QB #1 and there is literally no one else to take so for me it is trade down or bust.

If we don't trade down, we better take a ****ing skill player. No lineman.

Hootie, go back in time and point out where I've shared the mainstream opinion.

Year after year, I have my own thoughts and beliefs and they're rarely the same as the majority on Chiefsplanet. Remember 2009? The "Four Horsemen"? The original "Draftubaters"?

Why would I be any different this year?

This is nothing new.

philfree · 03-05-2013, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Nobody wanted the #3 spot in 2009, so what makes you so sure someone wants #1 in this draft?

Because there 6 teams in the top ten of the draft that really need QBs. In the end the only way for half of those teams to get Geno Smith is to trade up to #1. That's the only guaranteed way of getting him.

Direckshun · 03-05-2013, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Direckshun believes that Alex Smith and Geno Smith equals the Joe Montana acquisition.

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

My argument is that it would be the biggest coup in Chiefs history since Montana.

Which is different than saying it's on par with Montana

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I don't think that Alex Smith and Geno Smith equals the Joe Montana trade.

Basically, I'm not delusional.

I... eh. Meh.

Mecca · 03-05-2013, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by penbook

If we trade back we could draft cordarelle patterson.

You know what I find odd, I like the other 2 Tennessee receivers more than him.

Hootie · 03-05-2013, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by penbook

If we trade back we could draft cordarelle patterson.

I think this guy will be a huge bust.

I'm not a fan of taking raw receivers like that. When do they ever work out? It's rare. I looked at his game log and he never really showed up against good teams, either.

I much rather have Tavon Austin.

Just Passin' By · 03-05-2013, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

you = dipshit

in 2009 we had to give Tyson Jackson $33M guaranteed

in 2013 the #1 pick gets 4 years and $25M total.

EVERYONE can trade for the #1 now...

it went from an untradeable burden to a totally, 100% tradeable pick.

Shit, if the Baltimore Ravens felt like they needed Luke ****ing Joeckel they could realistically now trade up to #1 from #32 and give us their 2nd, 4th and a 2014 1st and it would literally make sense if they thought he was head and shoulders the best player on the board.

The new CBA made picks 1-5 tradeable assets again.

so why don't you try and use critical thinking before you post again

The money has changed, but the difference is still there in a tight cap year, and the trade chart still makes trade ups expensive. You should think before posting. It would be a remarkable challenge for you, but you could probably do it if you really tried.

Mecca · 03-05-2013, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

I think this guy will be a huge bust.

I'm not a fan of taking raw receivers like that. When do they ever work out? It's rare. I looked at his game log and he never really showed up against good teams, either.

I much rather have Tavon Austin.

Don't we have enough gimmick midgets? Very rarely is a 5'8 guy gonna be a starter.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-05-2013, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I... eh. Meh.

03-04-2013, 11:04 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4233447	Late night bullshit: drafting Geno now? Almost as big a coup as getting Montana in 93 Andy Reid has long been capable of thinking outside the box, and his track record backs that up. But acquiring Alex Smith for two 2nds for the sole purpose of giving the #1 overall guy time to develop would be among the most ambitious ideas he's ever had. Nonetheless, I believe the Chiefs could be shifting in that direction. They've clung to WR Dwayne Bowe, they've tagged LT Branden Albert, they're on the verge of signing CB Sean Smith to start across from Flowers, and they have reached out to DE/DT Chris Canty (and in my hypothetical, as we've all long believed, Poe's talents might be better suited at DE anyway). So it becomes official, then: unless the Chiefs do not actually find a single starting-caliber DE, they are simply not drafting to plug a hole with the #1 overall pick. Therefore, they can simply make the pick that helps them the most in the long run -- because if there is a single pick in the NFL Draft that should be made with the long run exclusively in mind, it's the first overall. HC Andy Reid and GM John Dorsey talked down the QBs in this draft for weeks ever since they were ushered in by team owner Clark Hunt. But that was before the Combine, which had to have been a game changer. New WRs coach David Culley was on the turf at the RCA Dome as he asked all the QBs to throw very specific passes, one after another, to the WRs he was observing. And what was supposed to be a drill to determine WR talent actually determined the QB position once and for all. Quick outs, deep post runs, back shoulder bombs... All of the QBs had some good throws, most of them had off throws, and a good number of them were just terrible. Only one QB really separated himself with Croyle-esque darts on the short throws and beautiful Rodgers-esque accuracy on the deep balls. Every pass. "Good throw!" "Great throw!" "Now that's a pass!" With a Chiefs coach literally five feet from him, Geno hit every single pass he was asked to deliver, on rhythm. Is there any doubt Culley raved to Reid when they convened later that afternoon? It had to immediately make them reassess. They had long known this guy was not a world beater at West Virginia. He was a machine some games but lacked the drive to will his team to victories in other games. And West Virginia's coaching staff is said to be one of the least friendly and hospitable to NFL personnel in terms of sharing in formation. But with no filter between them and Geno, they saw his tools -- he was athletic, healthy, good natured, strong, and lest there be any doubt: one hell of a passer. While they weren't sure that this guy is the future of the Chiefs, they became more willing than ever to find out. They made an incredibly aggressive move to lock down Alex Smith so Geno could ostensibly feel zero pressure as the Chiefs staff begins to groom him, all the while Alex Smith keeps the Chiefs competitive and helps Geno's apparent need to better absorb coaching (thanks, Mariucci). They made sure that any Chiefs QB for the next five years has the best WR in team history to throw to, and locked down Albert for the year, and hopefully for years beyond. Meanwhile, they made aggressive, potentially illegal moves to fill the teams neediest positions at CB and DE. In short, Andy Reid came to Kansas City because he knew the talent was already amazing, save for one shitty exception at the team's most important position, and he used the best leverage he had at his disposal to fix it in the short and long term. Should Andy Reid land this pick, he will perhaps have landed the team's biggest coup since Carl Peterson traded for Joe Montana in 1993.
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