Chiefs Let's talk about reasons to be optimistic - Page 2

TLO · 10-19-2017, 10:41 PM

I know it's easy to want to put this loss on Bob Sutton, the NFL, officiating, etc - and those may all be valid points.

Instead of dwelling on all the negatives, what positives come out of tonight's game?

I can think of a few.

1. This offense has some real weapons. Both for now, and in the future. Hunt, Hill, and Kelce are stars. They should make the transition that much smoother for Mahomes (hopefully starting next season)

2. The Chiefs are still 5-2, and 1-1 in the division. The loss tonight sucks, but I don't see the Raiders coming into Arrowhead later this season and pulling another upset. The NFL truly seems to lack a dominant team this year, which provides me some optimism come playoff time.

3. Butker has been fantastic. This guy has the look of a star.

Anything else to add?

TLO · 10-19-2017, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

That made me smile. Definitely a reason to be optimistic with a Mahomes lead offense with all these weapons already around him.

Eleazar · 10-19-2017, 10:50 PM

like I was saying in another thread, I think this is a 10 win team that got off to a hot start.

Alex Smith will not play like he has all year.

The defense can't stop the run or the pass. Contending teams don't have those questions.

Turnovers dried up. What do we have, 3 takeaways in the last 4 games?

Big plays on special teams dried up.

O-line is a mess.

Coaching probably already cost us one game, on Sunday.

When your team is good fundamentally, when you can stop the run or the pass, or when you can consistently generate first downs, you can weather these things. Right now, this team isn't good enough for that.

We will have some entertaining games and probably a playoff appearance, but anything else is a pipe dream until the roster gets serious work and unless/until Mahomes develops.

Chiefnj2 · 10-19-2017, 10:50 PM

Sitting on the bench Mahomes learned to throw at Mitchell, Gaines and Murray next year when they are playing for new teams.

**Ragged Robin** · 10-19-2017, 10:51 PM

Alex slung it like a boss and people are still complaining about him lmao

Hammock Parties · 10-19-2017, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

We will have some entertaining games and probably a playoff appearance, but anything else is a pipe dream until the roster gets serious work and unless/until Mahomes develops.

It's good to not be emotionally invested.

Feels good.

I'm saving my pennies for a rainy day in 2018.

FloridaMan88 · 10-19-2017, 10:51 PM

The same Raiders offense that needed garbage time plays to get over 100 yards of total offense against Washington a few weeks ago had nearly 600 yards of total offense against Grob RobinSutton's failure of a defense.

Hard to find optimism with that reality.

Eleazar · 10-19-2017, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragged Robin

Alex slung it like a boss and people are still complain about him lmao

He's been one of the few bright spots, for sure. But I think we all know that this probably isn't the real Alex Smith, and that he's going to come back down to earth.

Hammock Parties · 10-19-2017, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragged Robin

Alex slung it like a boss and people are still complain about him lmao

To be honest if Alex wanted to salt this one away he could have gotten seven instead of three or not given the ball back in the fourth quarter.

DJ's left nut · 10-19-2017, 10:53 PM

Reasons for optimism....hmmmm.....

If this exact roster were wearing a Denver Broncos jersey I'd expect 13 wins and a championship. So in that regard, I still figure theres some talent here.

But sadly, we do not cheer for the Broncos. We cheer for a team that is uncanny in its ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

TLO · 10-19-2017, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

The defense can't stop the run or the pass. Contending teams don't have those questions.

If contending teams didn't have issues, they'd all go 16-0. It's about finding a balance, and masking the weaknesses to the best of your ability. I don't have much faith in Sutton at this point, but perhaps getting Nelson back, (and MAYBE Hali), will make a difference.

**kysirsoze** · 10-19-2017, 10:54 PM

This defense needs Peters and Peters needs Berry.

This defense ALSO can't stop the run without Berry.

Optimism is this offense has the potential to just flat out score other teams when our Oline gets healthy.

Other than that, the optimism is we get Berry back next year.

Chiefs316 · 10-19-2017, 10:54 PM

It’s the same shit every year. Ive got better things that do then watch smith check down for another close loss. This team almost had me fooled again but I’ve grown. I’m a better man. I know better by now. Because Chiefs. Finding someone better to invest my time in next week.

**cdcox** · 10-19-2017, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Sitting on the bench Mahomes learned to throw at Mitchell, Gaines and Murray next year when they are playing for new teams.

Don't give Sorenson a pass. He is a third safety at best.

Eleazar · 10-19-2017, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TLO

If contending teams didn't have issues, they'd all go 16-0. It's about finding a balance, and masking the weaknesses to the best of your ability. I don't have much faith in Sutton at this point, but perhaps getting Nelson back, (and MAYBE Hali), will make a difference.

You don't see Super Bowl teams with defenses that are at the bottom of the league in yards, especially if it's against both the run AND the pass. Yes, points are what matters, but being #30 in yards or whatever we will be after this week shows that it's a mirage.

carcosa · 10-19-2017, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

He's not playing until 2019.

Stop it

10-19-2017, 10:41 PM
TLO Life is changing.. Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: NW Missouri Casino cash: $1834900	Let's talk about reasons to be optimistic I know it's easy to want to put this loss on Bob Sutton, the NFL, officiating, etc - and those may all be valid points. Instead of dwelling on all the negatives, what positives come out of tonight's game? I can think of a few. 1. This offense has some real weapons. Both for now, and in the future. Hunt, Hill, and Kelce are stars. They should make the transition that much smoother for Mahomes (hopefully starting next season) 2. The Chiefs are still 5-2, and 1-1 in the division. The loss tonight sucks, but I don't see the Raiders coming into Arrowhead later this season and pulling another upset. The NFL truly seems to lack a dominant team this year, which provides me some optimism come playoff time. 3. Butker has been fantastic. This guy has the look of a star. Anything else to add?
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10-19-2017, 10:50 PM	#17
Eleazar Beyond the Rapids Join Date: May 2003 Location: Langley, VA Casino cash: $-370000	like I was saying in another thread, I think this is a 10 win team that got off to a hot start. Alex Smith will not play like he has all year. The defense can't stop the run or the pass. Contending teams don't have those questions. Turnovers dried up. What do we have, 3 takeaways in the last 4 games? Big plays on special teams dried up. O-line is a mess. Coaching probably already cost us one game, on Sunday. When your team is good fundamentally, when you can stop the run or the pass, or when you can consistently generate first downs, you can weather these things. Right now, this team isn't good enough for that. We will have some entertaining games and probably a playoff appearance, but anything else is a pipe dream until the roster gets serious work and unless/until Mahomes develops.
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Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $7873688	Sitting on the bench Mahomes learned to throw at Mitchell, Gaines and Murray next year when they are playing for new teams. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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FloridaMan88 Mahomes: We Are All Witnesses Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, FL Casino cash: $3082906	The same Raiders offense that needed garbage time plays to get over 100 yards of total offense against Washington a few weeks ago had nearly 600 yards of total offense against Grob RobinSutton's failure of a defense. Hard to find optimism with that reality.
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DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $2919099	Reasons for optimism....hmmmm..... If this exact roster were wearing a Denver Broncos jersey I'd expect 13 wins and a championship. So in that regard, I still figure theres some talent here. But sadly, we do not cheer for the Broncos. We cheer for a team that is uncanny in its ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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10-19-2017, 10:54 PM	#26
kysirsoze SNAP THE ****ING BALL!!! Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $3676946	This defense needs Peters and Peters needs Berry. This defense ALSO can't stop the run without Berry. Optimism is this offense has the potential to just flat out score other teams when our Oline gets healthy. Other than that, the optimism is we get Berry back next year.
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10-19-2017, 10:54 PM	#27
Chiefs316 Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Wichita KS Casino cash: $5605737	It’s the same shit every year. Ive got better things that do then watch smith check down for another close loss. This team almost had me fooled again but I’ve grown. I’m a better man. I know better by now. Because Chiefs. Finding someone better to invest my time in next week.
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