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Old 06-08-2018, 01:14 PM  
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Mueller: New indictments filed against Manafort names ally with Russian intel ties

(CNN)Prosecutors have filed a new indictment against former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort that also names as a defendant Konstantin Kilimnik, a close business colleague of Manafort's who prosecutors have said has close ties to Russian intelligence.

The indictment includes two new charges against both Manafort and Kilimnik: a count of obstruction of justice and a count of conspiracy to obstruct justice, meaning the two allegedly worked together to tamper with witnesses.

Kilimnik, 48, of Moscow, is the 20th person to face charges in special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation. So far, 20 people and three companies have been charged.

Earlier this week, Mueller's office accused Manafort of attempting to get witnesses to lie for him in court. A witness told investigators recently that Manafort wanted them to commit perjury about a lobbying effort they worked on for him in the US, a filing in DC District Court said.

Manafort is currently out on house arrest and a $10 million unsecured bail. He awaits a trial in Virginia that is scheduled for late July and a trial in DC scheduled to begin in September.

Manafort has already been charged with conspiracy against the United States, conspiracy to launder money, unregistered agent of a foreign principal, false and misleading Foreign Agents Registration Act statements and false statements. Friday's indictment does not change the counts already against him.

This story is breaking and will be updated.
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Old 06-08-2018, 02:22 PM   #16
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Unless Mueller reels in something bigger than Manafort committing process crimes 10 years ago, this whole thing is going to be a dud.
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Old 06-08-2018, 03:05 PM   #17
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Let me repeat: Did you forget what Mueller's task was and is?
Why does it matter? I asked a simple question you obviously are afraid to answer.
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So, if they were polling better than Trump and the primary goal was to prevent Hillary from becoming POTUS, perhaps it would have been a better strategic decision to nominate someone who actually had a chance of beating her and preventing that than nominating Donald Trump.
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Old 06-08-2018, 03:15 PM   #18
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Why does it matter? I asked a simple question you obviously are afraid to answer.
Sure, I'll wet-nurse you.

Mueller's task wasn't and isn't to investigate "Trump" and only Trump. It is a law enforcement investigation of Trump's campaign and any Russian (or other foreign) interference in the election, including exploring any possible links or coordination between Trump’s campaign and the Russian government, and any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation.
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Old 06-08-2018, 03:30 PM   #19
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Unless Mueller reels in something bigger than Manafort committing process crimes 10 years ago, this whole thing is going to be a dud.
Like obstructing justice in 2018?
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Old 06-08-2018, 03:35 PM   #20
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Old 06-08-2018, 03:45 PM   #21
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Mueller's task wasn't and isn't to investigate "Trump" and only Trump. It is a law enforcement investigation of Trump's campaign and any Russian (or other foreign) interference in the election, including exploring any possible links or coordination between Trump’s campaign and the Russian government, and any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation.
I didn't ask you what Mueller's task was, you ****ing idiot. I simply asked what this had to do with Trump? Your assumptions are showing you for what you are, Donger.
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So, if they were polling better than Trump and the primary goal was to prevent Hillary from becoming POTUS, perhaps it would have been a better strategic decision to nominate someone who actually had a chance of beating her and preventing that than nominating Donald Trump.
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Old 06-08-2018, 03:45 PM   #22
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Like obstructing justice in 2018?
Yeah, you run with that one....
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So, if they were polling better than Trump and the primary goal was to prevent Hillary from becoming POTUS, perhaps it would have been a better strategic decision to nominate someone who actually had a chance of beating her and preventing that than nominating Donald Trump.
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Old 06-08-2018, 03:52 PM   #23
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I didn't ask you what Mueller's task was, you ****ing idiot. I simply asked what this had to do with Trump? Your assumptions are showing you for what you are, Donger.
Well, Manafort was Trump's campaign chairman, remember? That's a direct link.

Anyway, my point was that it doesn't need to be directly related to Trump for it to be relevant to Mueller's investigation. Sorry if that wasn't clear to you, even though it should have been.
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Old 06-08-2018, 04:03 PM   #24
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(CNN)Prosecutors have filed a new indictment against former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort that also names as a defendant Konstantin Kilimnik, a close business colleague of Manafort's who prosecutors have said has close ties to Russian intelligence.

The indictment includes two new charges against both Manafort and Kilimnik: a count of obstruction of justice and a count of conspiracy to obstruct justice, meaning the two allegedly worked together to tamper with witnesses.

Kilimnik, 48, of Moscow, is the 20th person to face charges in special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation. So far, 20 people and three companies have been charged.

Earlier this week, Mueller's office accused Manafort of attempting to get witnesses to lie for him in court. A witness told investigators recently that Manafort wanted them to commit perjury about a lobbying effort they worked on for him in the US, a filing in DC District Court said.

Manafort is currently out on house arrest and a $10 million unsecured bail. He awaits a trial in Virginia that is scheduled for late July and a trial in DC scheduled to begin in September.

Manafort has already been charged with conspiracy against the United States, conspiracy to launder money, unregistered agent of a foreign principal, false and misleading Foreign Agents Registration Act statements and false statements. Friday's indictment does not change the counts already against him.

This story is breaking and will be updated.
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Old 06-08-2018, 04:29 PM   #25
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Well, Manafort was Trump's campaign chairman, remember? That's a direct link.

Anyway, my point was that it doesn't need to be directly related to Trump for it to be relevant to Mueller's investigation. Sorry if that wasn't clear to you, even though it should have been.
How is it a direct link to the charges related in the OP?

FFS, Donger, go work for CNN.
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Old 06-08-2018, 04:32 PM   #26
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How is it a direct link to the charges related in the OP?

FFS, Donger, go work for CNN.
Errrr, I wasn't saying it's a direct link to the charges in the OP, pete. Calm down.

I'm saying there's a direct link between Manafort and Trump, you dolt.
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Errrr, I wasn't saying it's a direct link to the charges in the OP, pete. Calm down.

I'm saying there's a direct link between Manafort and Trump, you dolt.
Yes, you were. God damn you're a ****ing toolbar.
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Errrr, I wasn't saying it's a direct link to the charges in the OP, pete. Calm down.

I'm saying there's a direct link between Manafort and Trump, you dolt.
I asked what the OP has to do with Trump and look at you....please go call CNN. I hear they are desperate for cheap help.
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Errrr, I wasn't saying it's a direct link to the charges in the OP, pete. Calm down.

I'm saying there's a direct link between Manafort and Trump, you dolt.
Manafort was Trumps campaign manager when the events occurred that he is charged with?
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Yes, you were. God damn you're a ****ing toolbar.
No. I wasn't. You made an assumption.
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