The 49ers were wrong about Alex Smith

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

You think that's bad, I apparently missed the entire playoffs following the 2005 season.

- important games won in a season where we don't even MAKE the playoffs.

Happened several times in 2003, then. You are being obtuse. Shit, even happened in 2006.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

- important games won in a season where we don't even MAKE the playoffs.

When I was around 9 or 10 my dad starting taking me to Royals and Chiefs games - in Municipal Stadium (cuz I'm old). At that age I lived in the present and didn't care about playoffs and could enjoy an individual game as just an individual game. I miss those days.

Sometimes we get so caught up in what the game means in the bigger picture of the playoff race we forget how to just enjoy a game for itself. Believe it or not there can be good, enjoyable games even when your team isn't in the playoff hunt.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by splatbass

When I was around 9 or 10 my dad starting taking me to Royals and Chiefs games - in Municipal Stadium (cuz I'm old). At that age I lived in the present and didn't care about playoffs and could enjoy an individual game as just an individual game. I miss those days.

Sometimes we get so caught up in what the game means in the bigger picture of the playoff race we forget how to just enjoy a game for itself. Believe it or not there can be good, enjoyable games even when your team isn't in the playoff hunt.

Hey, I'm not the one imposing the 'must win close important games' standard, then referring to all the 'close important games' that happened in 2005.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by jd1020

I must have missed the Chiefs SB win last year. Whoops.

I know right! Because Russel Wilson singe handily beat the Broncos.

The crazy part was how he held them to 8 points and continually harassed Payton and put the smack down on the Bronco receivers.

He throws it, catches it, and plays defense. We need to find one of those!

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I know right! Because Russel Wilson singe handily beat the Broncos.

The crazy part was how he held them to 8 points and continually harassed Payton and put the smack down on the Bronco receivers.

He throws it, catches it, and plays defense. We need to find one of those!

No argument from me.

We do need to find one. Just need to start looking in the right places.

[ChiefAshhole20]

Name 10 other QBs in the league that would fit better in this offense though. Even though he doesn't put up ridiculous numbers, he's still been one of the most efficient QBs in the league, just look at his 3rd down numbers.

He's consistently shown up in big games too, I can't think of a time we didn't at least keep it very close when playing in the big ones. Alex is one of the things we can rely on at this point, and really unless you have one of the premier QB's in the league, that's all you can really ask for.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by ChiefAshhole20

Name 10 other QBs in the league that would fit better in this offense though. Even though he doesn't put up ridiculous numbers, he's still been one of the most efficient QBs in the league, just look at his 3rd down numbers.

He's consistently shown up in big games too, I can't think of a time we didn't at least keep it very close when playing in the big ones. Alex is one of the things we can rely on at this point, and really unless you have one of the premier QB's in the league, that's all you can really ask for.

Hard to be consistent when he's only played in one big one while being in KC and he hasn't been consistent in the 3 big games he's ever played in.

[ChiefAshhole20]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Hard to be consistent when he's only played in one big one while being in KC and he hasn't been consistent in the 3 big games he's ever played in.

How'd he do in the big ones before KC though? And which three big games are you referring to? Because he was fine in the Indy playoff game, has kept us in the game against our division every time including two yards away from tying Denver in week 2, and led the most dominating win in recent Chiefs history against the Patriots on MNF.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by ChiefAshhole20

How'd he do in the big ones before KC though? And which three big games are you referring to? Because he was fine in the Indy playoff game, has kept us in the game against our division every time including two yards away from tying Denver in week 2, and led the most dominating win in recent Chiefs history against the Patriots on MNF.

If you can't figure out which 3 games I'm talking about then there's no hope.

[ChiefAshhole20]

Originally Posted by jd1020

If you can't figure out which 3 games I'm talking about then there's no hope.

I'm open to being enlightened. He's never put up a truly overall bad game in those and that's all I'm suggesting. Not saying he's elite but he's kept us in pretty much all of our games, including the big ones, and at QB there's some value in that

[dls6501]

Originally Posted by ChiefAshhole20

Name 10 other QBs in the league that would fit better in this offense though. Even though he doesn't put up ridiculous numbers, he's still been one of the most efficient QBs in the league, just look at his 3rd down numbers.

You are basing this opinion really off of 2 games. Thats the problem I have with Smith homers. They use the aberrations to make their points and ignore history.

Example: "just look at his 3rd down numbers"

So we are supposed to ignore 9 years of Alex having terrible third down numbers because he had great 3rd down numbers in 2 of our 4 games this season?

[Mav]

Originally Posted by dls6501

You are basing this opinion really off of 2 games. Thats the problem I have with Smith homers. They use the aberrations to make their points and ignore history.

Example: "just look at his 3rd down numbers"

So we are supposed to ignore 9 years of Alex having terrible third down numbers because he had great 3rd down numbers in 2 of our 4 games this season?

His playoff numbers are hall of fame worthy.

The thing that people care about. Playoffs.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by dls6501

You are basing this opinion really off of 2 games. Thats the problem I have with Smith homers. They use the aberrations to make their points and ignore history.

Example: "just look at his 3rd down numbers"

So we are supposed to ignore 9 years of Alex having terrible third down numbers because he had great 3rd down numbers in 2 of our 4 games this season?

9 years? How the hell is his first years in the league even relevant at this point? Is he the same QB today as he was when he was a rookie? Hell no. But people keep bringing those days up just to try to bolster their completely wrong ideas. Idiots.

[dls6501]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

9 years? How the hell is his first years in the league even relevant at this point? Is he the same QB today as he was when he was a rookie? Hell no. But people keep bringing those days up just to try to bolster their completely wrong ideas. Idiots.

Ok fine. Lets just look at 2011-2013. Alex's third down conversion percentage was not even close to what one should consider good.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by dls6501

Ok fine. Lets just look at 2011-2013. Alex's third down conversion percentage was not even close to what one should consider good.

Again, even comparing things to last year is dumb. You're judging year 1 in two completely new offenses.

That doesn't mean just Smith learning a new offense, that means the entire team learning a new offense.

Go compare the numbers from year 1 to year 2 in Harbaugh's offense.

Then compare year 1 and now going into beginning of year 2 in Reid's offense (with a ton of turnover in his OL as well).

Harbaugh year 1- year 2

Comp %: 61.3 - 70.2
TD %: 3.8 - 6.0
Y/A: 7.1 - 8.0

Reid year 1 - year 2

Comp %: 60.6 - 65.6
TD%: 4.5 - 5.5
Y/A: 6.5 - 7.0

The same trend in improvement is there from year 1 to year 2. Smith's college coach, Urban Meyer, wasn't lying when he said that Smith gets a lot better when he is able to stick to one system and truly learn and know everything. I expect him to continue to improve over the course of this season and next season as well as the guys around him learn to gel together as well.

Now go look at Kaepernick's stats in the same offense going into year 4 now, his numbers are kind of all over the place:

Kaepernick under Harbaugh starting year 1 - 2 -3

Comp%: 62.4 - 58.4 - 66.9
TD%: 4.6 - 5.0 - 4.8
Y/A: 8.3 - 7.7 - 7.4

The only thing that has increased consistently for him is his INT%: 1.4 - 1.9 - 3.2

IMO, because of the nature of the type of QB that Smith is, I don't think that he has quite reached his potential yet. The guy has never played more than 1 and a half seasons in the same offensive system. Each time that he has had more than 1 year, he has shown improvements, and a bit more risk taking, in the following season.