Chiefs Trade G Rishaw Johnson To Buccaneers For S Kelcie McCray

[TLO]

http://nfltraderumors.co/chiefs-trad...kelcie-mccray/

Buccaneers HC Lovie Smith announced Thursday that they have traded S Kelcie McCray to the Chiefs in return for G Rishaw Johnson, per the Pewter Report.

Johnson, 25, signed with the Seattle Seahawks as an undrafted free agent out of California University of Pennsylvania. he was reportedly competing with rookie Zach Fulton for the Chiefs right guard position.

There is no question the Buccaneers could use some extra depth at guard, which appears to be one of their biggest issues on their current roster.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

like i said...

REBUILDING


wasn't it you that argued for like an hour against me using that word?

There's rebuilding where you sledgehammer the team, and rebuilding where you can still remain on the bubble competitive while you rebuild. The Chiefs are doing the latter. And if they get any good production out of young players, I don't see why they couldn't be competitive next year (2015).

We aren't usually saying "there's always next year." We're usually saying "three years from now…." That's the difference.

[chiefzilla1501]

I really hope the Chiefs have the balls to realize that the current rotation isn't going to get much worse.

Fisher - Hudson - Kush - Linkenbach - Stephenson

It's not great, but it's better than the steaming pile of shit they have right now.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I never called Rishaw Johnson AWESOME captain exaggeration. I think Guard is one of the least important positions on the field and I really don't care that we didn't spend $4-5M per year for Schwartz, who is an average guard at best.

We made enough moves in 2013 for $4-5M guys who are only stealing money we could be paying playmakers. The Chiefs will have a rough interior line this year. Oh well. I didn't think this was the year the Chiefs should be building towards anyway.

This board seems awfully upset about not signing Albert or Schwartz. We can't even ****ing afford Berry, Houston, and Smith right now, and we want to spend $15M on two offensive linemen?

You argued the point way too much about how well he did against the Chargers. That Schwartz would not be missed. That the OL could be full of JAGS etc...You were also dead wrong. Rishaw was MUCH closer to my take of him than he was yours. Its not even close. OWN YOUR STUPIDITY! It's quite rare...

Rishaw Johnson -

[Al Bundy]

Our O-Line ESPECIALLY guard position is dogshit. Nicks retiring really ****ed the Bucs. Lovie wasted picks on a slow out of shape WR, a 3rd string running back that is already out for the season and will be a 25 year old rookie next year. Completely ignored the offensive line. Sure they drafted a couple of nobodies in later rounds.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I really hope the Chiefs have the balls to realize that the current rotation isn't going to get much worse.

Fisher - Hudson - Kush - Linkenbach - Stephenson

It's not great, but it's better than the steaming pile of shit they have right now.

You wanted a JAGS OL. You got it!

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

There's rebuilding where you sledgehammer the team, and rebuilding where you can still remain on the bubble competitive while you rebuild. The Chiefs are doing the latter. And if they get any good production out of young players, I don't see why they couldn't be competitive next year (2015).

We aren't usually saying "there's always next year." We're usually saying "three years from now…." That's the difference.

8-8 baby

If they were going to rebuild then they should have started LAST year. Instead we faked it for a year and duped the fan base into thinking we were in win now mode.

This offseason has been complete horseshit.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

There's rebuilding where you sledgehammer the team, and rebuilding where you can still remain on the bubble competitive while you rebuild. The Chiefs are doing the latter. And if they get any good production out of young players, I don't see why they couldn't be competitive next year (2015).

We aren't usually saying "there's always next year." We're usually saying "three years from now…." That's the difference.

We aren't saying "there's always next year" today.

You might be, but most of us that have watched this cluster**** of a franchise for too many ****ing years to count are saying "probably not in my lifetime".

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by TEX

You argued the point way too much about how well he did against the Chargers. That Schwartz would not be missed. That the OL could be full of JAGS etc...You were also dead wrong. Rishaw was MUCH closer to my take of him than he was yours. Its not even close. OWN YOUR STUPIDITY! It's quite rare...

You can go ahead and find a single thread where I said Rishaw Johnson was going to be awesome.

What I said is that average guards shouldn't get paid $5M when you can pick a guy off the street to play it. I said that the Chiefs have 5 options in Johnson, Kush, Watkins, Allen, Hudson who could fill in and I thought 3 would at least be passable. I said repeatedly that Schwartz was a much safer option, but that I don't care about getting rid of him because frankly I really could care less if we're bad at Guard. If we suck at Guard, you use a 3rd or 4th round pick on one or you find one off the scrap pile. Because I've been pushing for a gradual rebuild what I said is these guys are stopgaps until you can draft a replacement in the lower rounds.

If Linkenbach, Kush, moving Hudson to Guard, or Watkins by game 5 end up even a step below Schwartz, then I don't see any reason to complain. I absolutely think it's possible that our Guard play won't be much worse than last season.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

8-8 baby

If they were going to rebuild then they should have started LAST year. Instead we faked it for a year and duped the fan base into thinking we were in win now mode.

This offseason has been complete horseshit.

This.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by milkman

We aren't saying "there's always next year" today.

You might be, but most of us that have watched this cluster**** of a franchise for too many ****ing years to count are saying "probably not in my lifetime".

I said well before the season started I didn't think we were even close to 1-2 players away from competing, as many people believed. And that our cap situation was worse than we got credit for.

Months later… think we all know that Jairus Byrd is not going to fix Bob Sutton. Emmanuelle Sanders adds spark, but not with a broken offensive line. And keeping Albert/Schwartz plus signing Sanders/Byrd was going to make it ultra difficult to keep Charles, Berry, Houston, let alone Alex Smith. But at the very least, we made moves this offseason that give us a lot more comp picks, free up space to sign Charles, Berry, Houston, Smith, and give us plenty of spending power starting next year and especially going into 2016. I think we'll hit a bump this year and then be very competitive in 2015, if our draft picks pan out. Granted, I don't know how the picks will pan out because our 2013 draft was lousy.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

There's rebuilding where you sledgehammer the team, and rebuilding where you can still remain on the bubble competitive while you rebuild. The Chiefs are doing the latter. And if they get any good production out of young players, I don't see why they couldn't be competitive next year (2015).

We aren't usually saying "there's always next year." We're usually saying "three years from now…." That's the difference.

glad they have been doing this since 2008, only a 7 year rebuild.

nothing like pissing away all the in the prime talents of some pro bowl players and guys who will go down as some of the best Chiefs in the franchises history with nothing to show for it but two winning seasons and a bunch of stinker years.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

8-8 baby

If they were going to rebuild then they should have started LAST year. Instead we faked it for a year and duped the fan base into thinking we were in win now mode.

This offseason has been complete horseshit.

This offseason is the way we should always be doing things. It's only horseshit because it doesn't jive with our approach in 2013. If we keep doing things this way… devaluing o-linemen, preferring to test young guys out vs. overpaying them, building through the draft, not being afraid to cut your aging veterans… that's the approach I prefer.

Like I've said many times, this is a good approach but only if you draft extremely well. Dorsey has a high bar and so far he's fallen way short.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

glad they have been doing this since 2008, only a 7 year rebuild.

nothing like pissing away all the in the prime talents of some pro bowl players and guys who will go down as some of the best Chiefs in the franchises history with nothing to show for it but two winning seasons and a bunch of stinker years.

The talent cliff people panic about when our superstars leave is so ridiculously overblown. These superstars who have never won a playoff game.

If you keep drafting well and you free up money to invest in other superstars, those guys can be replaced. But you have to keep drafting well. And you know what, even if we keep our superstars, we have to draft well. So it all comes down to the draft. Did I mention that?

[bobhill]

It should go Stephenson LT, Hudson LG, Kush C, Fulton RG, Fisher RT. Fisher at RT at least until we recovers from his surgery some more or something, thats just IMO

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

This offseason is the way we should always be doing things. It's only horseshit because it doesn't jive with our approach in 2013. If we keep doing things this way… devaluing o-linemen, preferring to test young guys out vs. overpaying them, building through the draft, not being afraid to cut your aging veterans… that's the approach I prefer.

Like I've said many times, this is a good approach but only if you draft extremely well. Dorsey has a high bar and so far he's fallen way short.

Only? Only?

Lack of a consistent plan is a huge issue. Either rebuild or win, flopping back and forth is death.

We shouldn't have traded for Alex Smith
We shouldn't have paid Bowe a billion dollars
We shouldn't have signed Sean Smith

All that talent that got us to the playoff, which isn't apparently good enough to win now with, should have been traded/dumped.

....etc,etc,etc

You want to talk about our salary cap being worse than we think? What Dorsey did last year made it worse, much worse.

I haven't seen anything particularly good about the way Dorsey drafts either.

Cluster **** central