Chiefs PFF on our OL - Page 9

Hammock Parties · 08-18-2014, 03:56 PM

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...season-week-1/

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Teething Problems Up Front

After the departure of three key offensive linemen you would excuse the Chiefs’ for being off the pace up front and they certainly struggled in their first extended outing of preseason.

All five starting linemen earned negative grades in pass protection with Eric Fisher (40 snaps, -1.4 overall), Jeff Allen and Zach Fulton (40 snaps, -4.6 overall) surrendering multiple pressures. Conceding the most pressure was new right guard Fulton who let up a pair of hits and a pair of hurries, getting started early as Star Lotulelei drove outside of him for a hurry early in the game.

The bright point, and potential pressure for Fulton’s starting job, came from new signing Jeff Linkenbach (27 snaps, +3.8 overall) who surrendered no pressure with the second team and put in a very strong run-blocking display to offer a modicum of hope.

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In spite of registering his first sack of the preseason this was a crash back down to earth for Dee Ford (34 snaps, -4.1 overall), struggling in every phase of the game.

htismaqe · 08-19-2014, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

It's a horrible plan. You basically waste two + years of Smith, Hali, DJ, Charles and Bowe for the hope that you are going to have a fantastic 2015 draft to build around. The ultimate hope being that those draft picks can replace the 5 aforementioned players.

Yep.

And so far they haven't proven that they can draft any better than the previous regime, in all honesty.

Strongside · 08-19-2014, 10:08 AM

I don't think it will be as bad as the numbers would lead one to believe. But I don't think it's going to be good, either.

duncan_idaho · 08-19-2014, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Not a bad plan IMO. Get some decent band aids while you build through the draft and then your drafted players will be ready.

S. Smith, Fasano, DeVito and Avery were all band aids and will all be gone this time next year.

Except you need as many picks as possible to actually build through the draft, especially 1-3rd round picks, and you actually have to HIT with those picks.

Not exactly knocking it out of the park on Part 2.

RunKC · 08-19-2014, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Did you read my post? He can't play for 3 more years if he gets broken in half behind this awful offensive line.

If Alex Smith IS NOT a "band aid" - if he's truly a long-term solution - then they haven't exactly treated him like it. They've surrounded him with band-aids and garbage.

Does that make ANY sense to you at all?

Bowe isn't garbage. Charles isn't garbage. Avery is meh but not too bad.
I think they envisioned Kelce to be a big time weapon and so far he looks legit.
Same with Knile Davis who looks pretty solid IMO.

But I do agree about the OL. I think Fisher is not meeting their expectations which has to be frustrating them. There's no way they thought he would be having this much trouble.

**Lzen** · 08-19-2014, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6

Get Allen and Fulton the hell outta there, put Kush at center, kick Hudson over to guard and put Linkenbach in.

Discuss Thrower · 08-19-2014, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

It's a horrible plan. You basically waste two + years of Smith, Hali, DJ, Charles and Bowe for the hope that you are going to have a fantastic 2015 draft to build around. The ultimate hope being that those draft picks can replace the 5 aforementioned players.

The correct course of action was to trade Houston, Berry and JC in order to correctly rebuild the team.

But Clark cared more about the bottom line and wanted gate revenue instead.

htismaqe · 08-19-2014, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Bowe isn't garbage. Charles isn't garbage.

Both of them were here before Reid and Dorsey arrived.

My point is, they gave up premium draft picks to get Smith.

They should be similarly willing to give up assets to get Smith some help. Banking on a bunch of late rounders and Eric Fisher is silly.

I like the Dee Ford pick but if they don't get him on the field and instead are just putting him in the bank until next year when he replaces Hali, that's yet another misappropriation of resources.

htismaqe · 08-19-2014, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

The correct course of action was to trade Houston, Berry and JC in order to correctly rebuild the team.

But Clark cared more about the bottom line and wanted gate revenue instead.

Or you could have signed Houston and Berry, jettisoned some old players, and picked up a stopgap QB that didn't cost two 2nd-round draft picks.

You know actually build for the future...

Discuss Thrower · 08-19-2014, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Or you could have signed Houston and Berry, jettisoned some old players, and picked up a stopgap QB that didn't cost two 2nd-round draft picks.

You know actually build for the future...

Keeping Houston pigeonholes the team into sticking with a 3-4. Probably could have had a better coordinator than Bob Sutton if the team wasn't set on sticking to that alignment.

RunKC · 08-19-2014, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Except you need as many picks as possible to actually build through the draft, especially 1-3rd round picks, and you actually have to HIT with those picks.

Not exactly knocking it out of the park on Part 2.

There were no available QB's last year in the draft. Alex was a guy they liked so giving up 2 2nds is the going rate. It was a need that had to be filled.

I think they wanted to build as much as they could with what they have now. It's way to early to say they failed, especially with the 2014 draft picks.

htismaqe · 08-19-2014, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

There were no available QB's last year in the draft. Alex was a guy they liked so giving up 2 2nds is the going rate. It was a need that had to be filled.

I think they wanted to build as much as they could with what they have now. It's way to early to say they failed, especially with the 2014 draft picks.

If they don't sign Alex Smith to an extension, this has all been a colossal failure.

**Easy 6** · 08-19-2014, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Lzen

They've gotta do something, no way this thing gets straightened out with the current lineup.

Maybe Saccs first round guard wasnt such a bad idea after all #chiefsplanet riot

RunKC · 08-19-2014, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Both of them were here before Reid and Dorsey arrived.

My point is, they gave up premium draft picks to get Smith.

They should be similarly willing to give up assets to get Smith some help. Banking on a bunch of late rounders and Eric Fisher is silly.

I like the Dee Ford pick but if they don't get him on the field and instead are just putting him in the bank until next year when he replaces Hali, that's yet another misappropriation of resources.

I really liked the Fasano signing. He's a nice blocker and has good hands for the most part. It's coincidence that he rarely got hurt in his entire career until last year though.
I think we'll like the TE position with Kelce and Fasano (and Harris). I don't have a big problem with the weapons they've surrounded Alex with, but the OL is very concerning to me.
No way is keeping Albert a good idea unless you want to let Houston go.

You can't fix every problem in 2 offseasons. What should disappoint you is Stephenson and Allen looking like absolute trash. High draft picks like that shouldn't be struggling like this in year 3.

htismaqe · 08-19-2014, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

I really liked the Fasano signing. He's a nice blocker and has good hands for the most part. It's coincidence that he rarely got hurt in his entire career until last year though. I think we'll like the TE position with Kelce and Fasano (and Harris).

Fasano would be a nice #2 TE. He's not a #1. In him and Kelce, you potentially have two complimentary guys and no actual standout. We can hope about Kelce though. I don't pay much mind to Harris. He looks like one of those guys that will never see the field. All hype, no substance.

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Originally Posted by RunKC

No way is keeping Albert a good idea unless you want to let Houston go.

They didn't HAVE to draft Fisher to let Albert go. There were other possible solutions. Drafting Fisher 1.1 and then having him suck puts them in a deep hole. Even if Alex Smith is BETTER than they thought he could be, it might amount to nothing if they're biggest, and arguably most important, draft pick is a failure.

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Originally Posted by RunKC

You can't fix every problem in 2 offseasons. What should disappoint you is Stephenson and Allen looking like absolute trash. High draft picks like that shouldn't be struggling like this in year 3.

Part of the reason Allen and Stephenson might be struggling is because we're changing systems and schemes AGAIN. There's been no continuity on this line, in terms of personnel or scheme, and that hurts them. I've talked to Casey Wiegmann many times and he's always said the #1 factor in the success and/or failure of an offensive line is cohesion. This line has none. This is another area where drafting Fisher, inserting him at RT for a season, and then shuffling him to the other side (forcing Stephenson to move) may have done more harm than good.

Simply Red · 08-19-2014, 10:38 AM

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