Talking Draft Prospects - Page 30

Direckshun · 08:24 PM

We've got perhaps the biggest, most consequential draft coming up for this franchise since 2008. The Chiefs have all seven of their picks, and will certainly be picking up an additional four in compensatory picks, one of which is assuredly a 3rd rounder.

As a result, it's important to familiarize ourselves with as much of this draft class as possible. I started a thread last offseason that discussed late rounders that was generally well liked and spurred tons of great conversation on all sorts of draft picks we normally wouldn't talk about, so I'm going to duplicate that idea this year, only discussing all talents, rather than just the mid- and lower-round ones.

The OP will be continually updated to show the talent I'm reviewing by position. Keep in mind as I list these players that I am generally listing their round projections, but it is not a strict big board, as I likely won't have a big board put together until May.

Spoiler!

Direckshun · 01-14-2015, 02:46 AM

WR Josh Harper, Fresno State -- As Chiefs fans, we are all still sore from midround receivers from Fresno State, but here's yet another one that we'd better be familiar with. Harper is getting a ton of props in some circles for essentially carrying the Bulldogs' entire passing offense in 2014, and he does offer pretty good size (6'3", 190 lbs), some smart route-running, and the ability to make plays when he's got space in front of him. Harper, however, is just not particularly great at anything, and looks like a future 4th WR for an average passing offense. Despite his good height, he's not strong enough to be a possession guy. Despite his slight frame, he's not fast enough to be a burner. His hands are solid, but his route-running is really only superb on shorter routes which more physical CBs, many of which will weigh more than him in the NFL, will be able to disrupt him at the LOS and pretty much stick him there. It should be noted, again, that Fresno State's QBing was merely adequate, and that there were virtually no other WRs on the team, allowing defenses to focus on Harper. Maybe the NFL will be liberating in that sense, and that'll make the Senior Bowl and the Combine all the more important to how teams could value him going forward. I, personally, see little that's particularly exciting here, and I'd wait until the midrounds at best to spend a pick here.

Direckshun · 01-14-2015, 03:57 AM

DE Owamagbe Odighizuwa, UCLA -- Now we're talking. Even for a layperson like myself, it can be a bit tiring watching imperfect prospect after imperfect prospect, picking out the bad and studying the good. Fantastic, explosive players like Odighizuwa are the pallette-cleansers. There is no aspect of his game that's missing, other than a pronounceable name. He is a square 6'3", 270 lbs of pure muscle, and exciting quickness in short space. But his technique, oh, his technique... He is a master of leverage, stacking linemen like soda cans and shutting down the run -- easily one of the best run defenders amongst the passrushing talent in this draft. As for his passrushing, he is a truly unique talent. He has outstanding dip and bend to beat linemen religiously to the inside, almost always preferring to rush inside rather than outside. This, combined with his size, seals his fate as a 4-3 DE at the next level, but his burst off the line combined with his ability to get penetration on a systematic basis makes him a handful for nearly all tackles he faces. He can get into QB's faces up the middle in an extreme hurry, and his motor is unquestionably fierce as well. There are only a couple edge rushing talents I prefer in this draft, in Randy Gregory and Vic Beasley, but neither one of them are as NFL-ready or have as high a floor as Odighizuwa, whose style of disruption is every bit as unique as his name.

RunKC · 01-14-2015, 09:21 AM

Cedric ogbuehi tore his acl and is likely a re 3 pick. It's said he should be ready for training camp, but might be redshirted.

Would you take him if he's there in rd 3?

Direckshun · 01-14-2015, 09:56 AM

I would be immensely tempted.

That's almost a slam dunk for Dorsey, who loves great athletes and isn't scared off by knee injuries...

RunKC · 01-14-2015, 10:23 AM

@nfldraftscout: Injury this time of year generally results in sizeable draft stock hit. Cedric Ogbuehi was Rd1 pre-ACL injury. Could be Rd3/Rd4 redshirt now

I would absolutely take him with our 3rd rd comp pick if he's there.

Shox · 01-14-2015, 10:59 AM

I just hope we use all these picks and take the BPA. We have so many spots we can use improvement......WR, OT, G, S, LB (in or out), CB, QB.

Take a 1st or 2nd round WR (prefer a 1st). After that BPA any position except RB please.

Saccopoo · 01-14-2015, 09:29 PM

Owamagbe Odighizuwa

Six sacks. I don't know what guy you're watching, but six sacks. Zero forced fumbles. One QB Hurry. That's not beating anyone. Religiously, heathen, whatever.

And that's with UCLA putting him at end, standing him up, lining him wide, etc. The dude was given every opportunity to make impact plays. He didn't.

The guy is pedestrian. At the college level.

Why do you have a hard on for this dude?

Direckshun · 01-15-2015, 02:33 AM

RB Tevin Coleman, Indiana -- Behind Melvin Gordon and Todd Gurley, there is an intense competition buzzing for 3rd best RB in the draft. The next tier has plenty of promising backs, from T.J. Yeldon to Ameer Abdullah, but I'd bet money at this point that Tevin Coleman's the third back off the board. Coleman's stats are just re-****ing-diculous, averaging 7-8 yards a carry, rushing for 2,000 yards while providing reliable pass protection and never giving up a fumble (Coleman even beat up Ohio State's champion-caliber defense for 238 yards and 3 TDs). The scary thing is, Coleman has tons of room for growth. Even though he's 6'0", 210 lbs, he gets nearly all his yards running off tackle and to the edges, where his huge strides eat up yardage and leave defenders in the dust. He isn't terribly successful running between the tackles because he runs way too upright, which keeps him from breaking any tackles. Coleman is lethal in space, a true home run hitter, but needs to work on lowering his pads and churning his legs to generate more yards after contact. NFL teams will need a guy his size to make the tough inside runs, some technique work should probably fix that. With good blocking in front of him, Coleman has nothing short of tremendous upside.

Direckshun · 01-15-2015, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Owamagbe Odighizuwa

Six sacks. I don't know what guy you're watching, but six sacks. Zero forced fumbles. One QB Hurry. That's not beating anyone. Religiously, heathen, whatever.

And that's with UCLA putting him at end, standing him up, lining him wide, etc. The dude was given every opportunity to make impact plays. He didn't.

The guy is pedestrian. At the college level.

Why do you have a hard on for this dude?

OldSchool and I had this same type of argument over Allen Bailey here in this thread.

He argued that we overvalue Bailey because his stats were pedestrian.

My reply:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun

This is just a shit way of evaluating DL. You do NOT do it by tackles and sacks (unless it's a passrusher), you evaluate it by play disruption.

Bailey is disrupting the LOS far more than Jackson or Dorsey ever did in the 3-4.

And so it goes with the kid from UCLA.

Direckshun · 01-15-2015, 03:20 AM

C Reese Dismukes, Auburn -- Prospects don't get much less exciting than Dismukes, a master of technique who has quietly, reliably held down his responsibilities for four years, but that stuff's gotta be crack cocaine to coaches trying to fix the middle of their OLs. Dismukes is an ideal 6'3", 295 lbs, and while that prototypical size doesn't translate to great athleticism or anything, it does make him perfect for zone blocking schemes and others that ask their centers to get to the second level. Dismukes is fantastic in pass protection, calling near-perfect protection schemes. He perfectly absorbs bull rushes, and has quick hands to manage various spin moves and counter moves. And he is a good athlete, getting to the second level, perfectly targeting his assignment and erasing them at 100% success rate. Dismukes' get-off off the ball is decent, and Auburn rarely asked him to pull to the outside, so it will be up to teams to figure if that part of his game will translate well. While he is nobody's idea of a road grader, and he doesn't even particularly get that much push, he does shield off his defender reliably well. He struggles greatly with power, and the bigger nosetackles of the league who can get into his frame will give him trouble, but he is generally great at recovering and re-anchoring. I believe he has a future as an above average starter in the NFL, and for the right offense, he could be a Day Two selection.

Saccopoo · 01-15-2015, 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun

OldSchool and I had this same type of argument over Allen Bailey here in this thread.

He argued that we overvalue Bailey because his stats were pedestrian.

My reply:

And so it goes with the kid from UCLA.

Bailey led the University of Miami in sacks for three straight years. From the defensive tackle position. The guy was a beast in college.

This dude looks the part, but he's not generating any impact plays at all.

His best game as a collegian was against Utah in 2014, where he had 8 tackles and 1 sack. He looked okay. I even remember commenting during the game that the guy looked okay. But he wasn't destroying worlds. (That being said, I thought Hundley looked okay for the most part, but the guy ended up taking NINE sacks that game. That's three more than Owakngknoihonganeaioenwogs had for the entire season.)

Direckshun · 01-15-2015, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Bailey led the University of Miami in sacks for three straight years. From the defensive tackle position. The guy was a beast in college.

This dude looks the part, but he's not generating any impact plays at all.

His best game as a collegian was against Utah in 2014, where he had 8 tackles and 1 sack. He looked okay. I even remember commenting during the game that the guy looked okay. But he wasn't destroying worlds. (That being said, I thought Hundley looked okay for the most part, but the guy ended up taking NINE sacks that game. That's three more than Owakngknoihonganeaioenwogs had for the entire season.)

Bailey was a ****ing stud, no question.

I think you're obsessing too much over statlines.

Odighizuwa needs to develop his edgerushing, but his command of OTs in the run game and his constant penetration in the passing game makes him a true force.

I think the best team he faced this year was USC, and he lived in their backfield.

Direckshun · 01-15-2015, 06:05 AM

CB Alex Carter, Stanford -- Going on the merits of what you see on tape, Carter is a good prospect with some good form, smart play, and good size. Whether that elevates Carter to a 2nd day pick or a borderline first day pick depends on the Combine, I'm afraid. Carter is listed at 6'0", but on the field looks closer to 6'1" or 6'2" with a thick, 200 lbs frame. The Cardinals readily put Carter in every assignment possible -- press man, off man, Cover 2, deep zone -- so there is lots of schematic flexibility. How fast will Carter time, though? If he can run a 4.4 in the 40, he could legitimately go on the first day to a team that plays primarily off man with some zone and press man sprinkled in (not unlike the Chiefs play...). Other than the occasional mental error and occasional P.I. call, Carter plays off man well, though he will need some coaching on better reading and anticipating routes. He works very well coordinating brackets and other kinds of coverage with his teammates, and while he's not likely a shutdown CB at the next level, he is a guy who can make an impact by taking away a couple things a WR likes to do, and utilizing the sidelines and his teammates to help with the rest. Which actually makes Carter more ideal as a zone CB, and since he's more likely to run a 4.5, that's where his talents would best be suited. If he's still around in the third, the Chiefs should honestly consider, as Stanford used him almost exactly how the Chiefs used their corners in 2014.

kccrow · 01-15-2015, 05:24 PM

I do agree about LOS disruption and run stopping ability being very important to the defensive line. I think its far undervalued sometimes and its a big reason I like Henry Anderson. It isn't always about the sacks. Its about position and scheme. I see Odighizuwa as a prototypical 4-3 left defensive end. He has the size and ability to set the strong edge and still be disruptive.

O.city · 01-16-2015, 09:10 AM

Disruption equals production.

09-24-2014, 02:22 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4213447	Talking Draft Prospects We've got perhaps the biggest, most consequential draft coming up for this franchise since 2008. The Chiefs have all seven of their picks, and will certainly be picking up an additional four in compensatory picks, one of which is assuredly a 3rd rounder. As a result, it's important to familiarize ourselves with as much of this draft class as possible. I started a thread last offseason that discussed late rounders that was generally well liked and spurred tons of great conversation on all sorts of draft picks we normally wouldn't talk about, so I'm going to duplicate that idea this year, only discussing all talents, rather than just the mid- and lower-round ones. The OP will be continually updated to show the talent I'm reviewing by position. Keep in mind as I list these players that I am generally listing their round projections, but it is not a strict big board, as I likely won't have a big board put together until May. Spoiler! QB Marcus Mariota, Oregon Jameis Winston, Florida State Brett Hundley, UCLA Connor Cook, Michigan State RB Todd Gurley, Georgia Melvin Gordon, Wisconsin Ameer Abdullah, Nebraska Mike Davis, South Carolina T.J. Yeldon, Alabama Tevin Coleman, Indiana Duke Johnson, Miami Jay Ajayi, Boise State FB WR Sammie Coates, Auburn Amari Cooper, Alabama Dorial Green-Beckham, Oklahoma Ty Montgomery, Stanford Kevin White, West Virginia DeVante Parker, Louisville Jaelen Strong, Arizona State Josh Harper, Fresno State Breshad Perriman, Central Florida Devin Smith, Ohio State Rashad Greene, Florida State TE Devin Funchess, Michigan Maxx Williams, Minnesota OT Cedric Ogbuehi, Texas A&M Brandon Schwerff, Iowa Andrus Peat, Stanford La'el Collins, LSU Spencer Drango, Baylor Ereck Flowers, Miami Cameron Erving, Florida State T.J. Clemmings, Pittsburgh Ronnie Stanley, Notre Dame Ty Sambrailo, Colorado State Jake Fisher, Oregon OG La'el Collins, LSU A.J. McCann, South Carolina Cameron Erving, Florida State Ty Sambrailo, Colorado State Josue Matias, Florida State Laken Tomlinson, Duke C Cameron Erving, Florida State Reese Dismukes, Auburn NT Danny Shelton, Washington Eddie Goldman, Florida State Malcom Brown, Texas Jordan Phillips, Oklahoma 4-3 DT and/or 3-4 DE Leonard Williams, USC Michael Bennett, Ohio State Mario Edwards, Jr., Florida State Malcom Brown, Texas Arik Armstead, Oregon Carl Davis, Iowa 4-3 DE Randy Gregory, Nebraska Shilique Calhoun, Michigan State Dante Fowler, Jr., Florida Shawn Oakman, Baylor Bronson Kaufusi, BYU Alvin Dupree, Kentucky Nate Orchard, Utah Owamagbe Odighizuwa, UCLA Danielle Hunter, LSU 3-4 OLB Randy Gregory, Nebraska Vic Beasley, Clemson Dante Fowler, Jr., Florida Shayne Ray, Missouri Bronson Kaufusi, BYU Lorenzo Maudlin, Louisville Alvin Dupree, Kentucky Nate Orchard, Utah Hau'oli Kikaha, Washington Eli Harold, Virginia Danielle Hunter, LSU 4-3 OLB/WILB Vic Beasley, Clemson Shaq Thompson, Washington Paul Dawson, TCU MLB/SILB Bernardrick McKinney, Mississippi State Denzel Perryman, Miami Eric Kendricks, UCLA CB Ifo Ekpre-Olomo, Oregon P.J. Williams, Florida State Marcus Peters, Washington Trae Waynes, Michigan State Jalen Collins, LSU Alex Carter, Stanford Quentin Rollins, Miami (OH) Kevin Johnson, Wake Forest SS Landon Collins, Alabama Anthony Harris, Virginia FS Gerod Holliman, Louisville K P Last edited by Direckshun; 03-04-2015 at 08:24 PM..
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01-14-2015, 02:46 AM	#436
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4213447	WR Josh Harper, Fresno State -- As Chiefs fans, we are all still sore from midround receivers from Fresno State, but here's yet another one that we'd better be familiar with. Harper is getting a ton of props in some circles for essentially carrying the Bulldogs' entire passing offense in 2014, and he does offer pretty good size (6'3", 190 lbs), some smart route-running, and the ability to make plays when he's got space in front of him. Harper, however, is just not particularly great at anything, and looks like a future 4th WR for an average passing offense. Despite his good height, he's not strong enough to be a possession guy. Despite his slight frame, he's not fast enough to be a burner. His hands are solid, but his route-running is really only superb on shorter routes which more physical CBs, many of which will weigh more than him in the NFL, will be able to disrupt him at the LOS and pretty much stick him there. It should be noted, again, that Fresno State's QBing was merely adequate, and that there were virtually no other WRs on the team, allowing defenses to focus on Harper. Maybe the NFL will be liberating in that sense, and that'll make the Senior Bowl and the Combine all the more important to how teams could value him going forward. I, personally, see little that's particularly exciting here, and I'd wait until the midrounds at best to spend a pick here. Last edited by Direckshun; 01-14-2015 at 02:54 AM..
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01-14-2015, 03:57 AM	#437
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4213447	DE Owamagbe Odighizuwa, UCLA -- Now we're talking. Even for a layperson like myself, it can be a bit tiring watching imperfect prospect after imperfect prospect, picking out the bad and studying the good. Fantastic, explosive players like Odighizuwa are the pallette-cleansers. There is no aspect of his game that's missing, other than a pronounceable name. He is a square 6'3", 270 lbs of pure muscle, and exciting quickness in short space. But his technique, oh, his technique... He is a master of leverage, stacking linemen like soda cans and shutting down the run -- easily one of the best run defenders amongst the passrushing talent in this draft. As for his passrushing, he is a truly unique talent. He has outstanding dip and bend to beat linemen religiously to the inside, almost always preferring to rush inside rather than outside. This, combined with his size, seals his fate as a 4-3 DE at the next level, but his burst off the line combined with his ability to get penetration on a systematic basis makes him a handful for nearly all tackles he faces. He can get into QB's faces up the middle in an extreme hurry, and his motor is unquestionably fierce as well. There are only a couple edge rushing talents I prefer in this draft, in Randy Gregory and Vic Beasley, but neither one of them are as NFL-ready or have as high a floor as Odighizuwa, whose style of disruption is every bit as unique as his name. Last edited by Direckshun; 01-14-2015 at 04:02 AM..
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01-14-2015, 09:21 AM	#438
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01-14-2015, 09:56 AM	#439
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4213447	I would be immensely tempted. That's almost a slam dunk for Dorsey, who loves great athletes and isn't scared off by knee injuries...
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01-14-2015, 10:23 AM	#440
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $2029611	@nfldraftscout: Injury this time of year generally results in sizeable draft stock hit. Cedric Ogbuehi was Rd1 pre-ACL injury. Could be Rd3/Rd4 redshirt now I would absolutely take him with our 3rd rd comp pick if he's there. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Noah Gray
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01-14-2015, 10:59 AM	#441
Shox Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Casino cash: $10005765	I just hope we use all these picks and take the BPA. We have so many spots we can use improvement......WR, OT, G, S, LB (in or out), CB, QB. Take a 1st or 2nd round WR (prefer a 1st). After that BPA any position except RB please.
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01-14-2015, 09:29 PM	#442
Saccopoo Kindness in words... Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Zion Casino cash: $10025483	Owamagbe Odighizuwa Six sacks. I don't know what guy you're watching, but six sacks. Zero forced fumbles. One QB Hurry. That's not beating anyone. Religiously, heathen, whatever. And that's with UCLA putting him at end, standing him up, lining him wide, etc. The dude was given every opportunity to make impact plays. He didn't. The guy is pedestrian. At the college level. Why do you have a hard on for this dude?
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01-15-2015, 02:33 AM	#443
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4213447	RB Tevin Coleman, Indiana -- Behind Melvin Gordon and Todd Gurley, there is an intense competition buzzing for 3rd best RB in the draft. The next tier has plenty of promising backs, from T.J. Yeldon to Ameer Abdullah, but I'd bet money at this point that Tevin Coleman's the third back off the board. Coleman's stats are just re-***ing-diculous, averaging 7-8 yards a carry, rushing for 2,000 yards while providing reliable pass protection and never giving up a fumble* (Coleman even beat up Ohio State's champion-caliber defense for 238 yards and 3 TDs). The scary thing is, Coleman has tons of room for growth. Even though he's 6'0", 210 lbs, he gets nearly all his yards running off tackle and to the edges, where his huge strides eat up yardage and leave defenders in the dust. He isn't terribly successful running between the tackles because he runs way too upright, which keeps him from breaking any tackles. Coleman is lethal in space, a true home run hitter, but needs to work on lowering his pads and churning his legs to generate more yards after contact. NFL teams will need a guy his size to make the tough inside runs, some technique work should probably fix that. With good blocking in front of him, Coleman has nothing short of tremendous upside.
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01-15-2015, 03:20 AM	#445
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4213447	C Reese Dismukes, Auburn -- Prospects don't get much less exciting than Dismukes, a master of technique who has quietly, reliably held down his responsibilities for four years, but that stuff's gotta be crack cocaine to coaches trying to fix the middle of their OLs. Dismukes is an ideal 6'3", 295 lbs, and while that prototypical size doesn't translate to great athleticism or anything, it does make him perfect for zone blocking schemes and others that ask their centers to get to the second level. Dismukes is fantastic in pass protection, calling near-perfect protection schemes. He perfectly absorbs bull rushes, and has quick hands to manage various spin moves and counter moves. And he is a good athlete, getting to the second level, perfectly targeting his assignment and erasing them at 100% success rate. Dismukes' get-off off the ball is decent, and Auburn rarely asked him to pull to the outside, so it will be up to teams to figure if that part of his game will translate well. While he is nobody's idea of a road grader, and he doesn't even particularly get that much push, he does shield off his defender reliably well. He struggles greatly with power, and the bigger nosetackles of the league who can get into his frame will give him trouble, but he is generally great at recovering and re-anchoring. I believe he has a future as an above average starter in the NFL, and for the right offense, he could be a Day Two selection. Last edited by Direckshun; 01-15-2015 at 03:27 AM..
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01-15-2015, 06:05 AM	#448
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4213447	CB Alex Carter, Stanford -- Going on the merits of what you see on tape, Carter is a good prospect with some good form, smart play, and good size. Whether that elevates Carter to a 2nd day pick or a borderline first day pick depends on the Combine, I'm afraid. Carter is listed at 6'0", but on the field looks closer to 6'1" or 6'2" with a thick, 200 lbs frame. The Cardinals readily put Carter in every assignment possible -- press man, off man, Cover 2, deep zone -- so there is lots of schematic flexibility. How fast will Carter time, though? If he can run a 4.4 in the 40, he could legitimately go on the first day to a team that plays primarily off man with some zone and press man sprinkled in (not unlike the Chiefs play...). Other than the occasional mental error and occasional P.I. call, Carter plays off man well, though he will need some coaching on better reading and anticipating routes. He works very well coordinating brackets and other kinds of coverage with his teammates, and while he's not likely a shutdown CB at the next level, he is a guy who can make an impact by taking away a couple things a WR likes to do, and utilizing the sidelines and his teammates to help with the rest. Which actually makes Carter more ideal as a zone CB, and since he's more likely to run a 4.5, that's where his talents would best be suited. If he's still around in the third, the Chiefs should honestly consider, as Stanford used him almost exactly how the Chiefs used their corners in 2014.
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01-15-2015, 05:24 PM	#449
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $3057078	I do agree about LOS disruption and run stopping ability being very important to the defensive line. I think its far undervalued sometimes and its a big reason I like Henry Anderson. It isn't always about the sacks. Its about position and scheme. I see Odighizuwa as a prototypical 4-3 left defensive end. He has the size and ability to set the strong edge and still be disruptive.
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01-16-2015, 09:10 AM	#450
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