Chiefs Geno Smith vs Alex Smith - It's on. - Page 422

Hammock Parties · 02:56 AM

It's on now. Geno Smith is probably going to be starting for the Jets this season.

Alex Smith will be the Chiefs QB for the forseeable future. If he's a success, we'll probably get five good years out of him.

So who's gonna win more NFL games over that time period?

Put your ten pounders on the table and make a vote

Alex: 11 wins
Geno: 8 wins

Eleazar · 01-01-2014, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GordonGekko

AS has a chance to really cement a legacy with this franchise if he can play a good game this Saturday and get us a much needed playoff victory. However, if he skunks it up like he did against the Colts and we lose in a manner similar to the shitfest last time we played the Colts, I can only imagine how that shit will taste in Andy Reid's mouth going into the off-season. The excuses must stop for AS, he must play in a superior manner or he needs to go.

It's amusing to watch people try to set this game up as him playing for his job.

Alex Smith is not going anywhere.

BigCatDaddy · 01-01-2014, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

What a ringing endorsement.

Again, smart move. Don't show the other NFL teams your hand in regards to the draft. I'd also agree that if you don't have the definitive franchise QB you should always look to upgrade the position. The Chiefs and Jets are in the same boat in that regards.

**Bowser** · 01-01-2014, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

It's amusing to watch people try to set this game up as him playing for his job.

Alex Smith is not going anywhere.

He'll be here and starting week 1 in 2014, but the question will be who's going to be pushing him in that backup role? A great to fantastic game by him Saturday probably means our QB situation stays status quo next year. An awful games mean there will be shakeups with the backups.

**BossChief** · 01-01-2014, 03:48 PM

Since week 14, Geno had the second highest QBR of any quarterback in the NFL to Peyton Manning according to ESPN.

78.9

Those games were against damn good defenses, too.

tk13 · 01-01-2014, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Since week 14, Geno had the second highest QBR of any quarterback in the NFL to Peyton Manning according to ESPN.

78.9

Those games were against damn good defenses, too.

Really? Here's his last three games.

52/91, 57%, 190 yds/game, 3 TD, 1 INT, 6.2 yds/attempt

An improvement, but I wouldn't label that as spectacular.

**Ragged Robin** · 01-01-2014, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

Really? Here's his last three games.

52/91, 57%, 190 yds/game, 3 TD, 1 INT, 6.2 yds/attempt

An improvement, but I wouldn't label that as spectacular.

ESPN's TQBR (in which they've recently have just been referring to as "QBR" in hopes that if they refer to it as that enough it will replace actual QBR altogether) is full of shit. It penalizes the **** out of QBs for sacks and overly increases "clutch EPA" when they run up the score in garbage time. It sounds good in concept but the formula is way too dependent on subjectivity like sacks (and at the same time, doesn't account for drops). People should just take actual QBR for what it is instead of trying to replace it -- it's an efficiency rating which doesn't tell the whole story but gives you a baseline (if you want the whole story, watch the games).

**BossChief** · 01-01-2014, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

Really? Here's his last three games.

52/91, 57%, 190 yds/game, 3 TD, 1 INT, 6.2 yds/attempt

An improvement, but I wouldn't label that as spectacular.

They must have included weeks 14, 15, 16, 17. Here are his QBR from the last 4 games.

87.3 Oakland
34.6 Carolina
83.1 Cleveland
90.7 Miami

Pretty impressive when you consider the defenses he faced.

It also said his QBR until that point was only 21.9.

TripleThreat · 01-01-2014, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Again, smart move. Don't show the other NFL teams your hand in regards to the draft. I'd also agree that if you don't have the definitive franchise QB you should always look to upgrade the position. The Chiefs and Jets are in the same boat in that regards.

Well..... if your looking for a Peyton manning type QB, you'll be looking to upgrade that position year in and year out. Those type of QB's are just like finding a needle in a haystack, in the NFL it either happens or it doesnt. I highly doubt and do not assume that you are saying draft a QB round 1 year in year out or round 2 year in year out until we find a peyton manning. But - Andrew luck was the most highly anticipated QB prospect since peyton manning, i mean shoot the colts dropped peyton for luck, and Luck still isnt producing Peyton manning type football. That being said he may some day but right now hes not, so the position is always in need of a upgrade for most teams at QB, its just about when do you upgrade it and why.

Think San diego chargers, Brees/Rivers.

tk13 · 01-01-2014, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

They must have included weeks 14, 15, 16, 17. Here are his QBR from the last 4 games.

87.3 Oakland
34.6 Carolina
83.1 Cleveland
90.7 Miami

Pretty impressive when you consider the defenses he faced.

It also said his QBR until that point was only 21.9.

I guess. The actual numbers on the field though still don't back that claim up. Not terrible, but not worthy of throwing around the claim he was the 2nd best QB in the league the final quarter of the year. It makes me question the validity of that formula more than anything.

We'd be killing a Chiefs QB that averaged 190 yds/game... whether it was Smith, a rookie, someone else...doesn't matter. Well maybe not killing, but not pimping him like Geno's getting praised in here.

**BossChief** · 01-01-2014, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragged Robin

ESPN's TQBR (in which they've recently have just been referring to as "QBR" in hopes that if they refer to it as that enough it will replace actual QBR altogether) is full of shit. It penalizes the **** out of QBs for sacks and overly increases "clutch EPA" when they run up the score in garbage time. It sounds good in concept but the formula is way too dependent on subjectivity like sacks (and at the same time, doesn't account for drops). People should just take actual QBR for what it is instead of trying to replace it -- it's an efficiency rating which doesn't tell the whole story but gives you a baseline (if you want the whole story, watch the games).

Total QBR is far superior because it takes a lot more into its rating. No question.

For the sake of discussion, though...here are his old school quarterback ratings from those same 4 games.

88.6
68.6
91.7
83.9

tk13 · 01-01-2014, 04:19 PM

I still don't get it. If you look at Alex's last four games:

66.3% completions, 217 yds/game, 9 TD, 2 INT

And that includes a total stinker vs. Indy and the Skins game where we didn't throw the ball that much.

His three games in that specific time period had ratings of 122.3, 158.3, and 57.6.

**BossChief** · 01-01-2014, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

I guess. The actual numbers on the field though still don't back that claim up. Not terrible, but not worthy of throwing around the claim he was the 2nd best QB in the league the final quarter of the year. It makes me question the validity of that formula more than anything.

We'd be killing a Chiefs QB that averaged 190 yds/game... whether it was Smith, a rookie, someone else...doesn't matter. Well maybe not killing, but not pimping him like Geno's getting praised in here.

Except he didn't only average 190/tds per game during that stretch.

He averaged 197.5 yards passing per game and added another 46.5 rushing (186 total).

244 yards per game while only turning it over twice in 4 weeks to close the year against teams thick in the playoff hunt that had good defenses (sans Oakland, of course) is impressive for a rookie. He was also 3-1 during that span.

**BossChief** · 01-01-2014, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

I still don't get it. If you look at Alex's last four games:

66.3% completions, 217 yds/game, 9 TD, 2 INT

And that includes a total stinker vs. Indy and the Skins game where we didn't throw the ball that much.

His three games in that specific time period had ratings of 122.3, 158.3, and 57.6.

They must value rushing yards or certain types of throws over others.

Also, kinda scary to see Alex Smiths total QBR against Indy was only 11.1

Eleazar · 01-01-2014, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

He'll be here and starting week 1 in 2014, but the question will be who's going to be pushing him in that backup role? A great to fantastic game by him Saturday probably means our QB situation stays status quo next year. An awful games mean there will be shakeups with the backups.

Reid has loved Alex Smith for a long time, and coupled with Chase Daniel's contract that says he isn't going anywhere either, I doubt it

Deberg_1990 · 01-01-2014, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

I still don't get it. If you look at Alex's last four games:

66.3% completions, 217 yds/game, 9 TD, 2 INT

And that includes a total stinker vs. Indy and the Skins game where we didn't throw the ball that much.

His three games in that specific time period had ratings of 122.3, 158.3, and 57.6.

I guess it all comes down to whether or not you think Geno will ever be as good as Alex Smith was this year.

Personally, I think Geno might be ok, but he's not going to be a star. I just don't see it?

So tired of this argument anyways.

What were EJ Manual final stats?

View Poll Results: Who will win more games in the next five years?
Geno Smith	81	19.29%
Alex Smith	339	80.71%
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tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1852500	I still don't get it. If you look at Alex's last four games: 66.3% completions, 217 yds/game, 9 TD, 2 INT And that includes a total stinker vs. Indy and the Skins game where we didn't throw the ball that much. His three games in that specific time period had ratings of 122.3, 158.3, and 57.6.
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