CP weighs in- thoughts on a trade for RG3

[Dante84]

BUMP EDIT - This thread is from last year

Original Post:

Spoiler!

Facts:
- He has not played well
- He has not been surrounded by talent - me being dumb.
- He has not had consistent, great coaching or organizational structure
- He has a huge arm
- He is more mobile than most nfl qb's even after his knee injuries

Guys on espn just said he may get dealt for a 4th or 5th. If that's the price, I would love to use one of our bazillion picks on the former heisman winner.

He sits behind Alex for two years, learns Reid's offense and understands the value of making smart football decisions. He would cost very little thanks to the rookie wage scale and his now de-valued second contract. If it doesn't pan out, oh well.

I love the idea.

Updated/New Post:
Okay, so rumor is they are trying to trade him now.

Obviously our #3 played very well. If Chase gets traded to a QB needy team for 2nd or 3rd, what are your thoughts on bringing RG3 in as our backup for a late round pick (6th, 7th)?

Is he salvageable, or did the Redskins ruin him?

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by 58kcfan89

I didn't read the entire thread so I apologize if this was posted, but this is pretty damning to me.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...he-49ers-game/

There's a play (see shot below) where RG3 literally has 5 open receivers, decides to pull it down and eventually throws an incomplete pass. We'd be crucifying Smith if he did the same (and rightfully so).

I know this is just from 1 game, but this is becoming a trend with the guy. Factor in the press conferences and off-field drama and I'll pass on Griffin.

Maybe it's like a restaurant that has too many options. RG3 just didn't know which one to pick.

[the Talking Can]

Barnwell spitballing on RG3:

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/rg...-destinations/

More likely, I would expect to see something like a 2016 fourth-round pick that could rise to a second-rounder if Griffin hits certain benchmarks for his new team in 2015. If Washington wants a 2015 pick for Griffin, it’s hard to see anyone offering more than a third-round pick...


...3. Philadelphia Eagles: Oh boy. This is the nuclear option for everyone involved, and yet for everybody involved, it makes a lot of sense. Chip Kelly hasn’t had a mobile quarterback capable of scaring opposing teams with the zone-read since Michael Vick hit the bench last season, and even with his limitations after knee surgery, Griffin would qualify. The offense that Kelly runs in Philadelphia shares some similarities to what Griffin ran in college, given their shared usage of the read-option and emphasis on both spreading the field and using tempo as an offensive asset. And Kelly, who recruited Griffin out of high school, has no qualms about acquiring a damaged quarterback if he thinks he can mold him into a worthwhile starter. Is Griffin really a worse case than Mark Sanchez?

The fly in the ointment is Washington, which might hesitate to deal its former franchise quarterback inside the division out of a fear he’ll come back to beat D.C. twice a year. That being said, if Washington is already so sure that Griffin’s not worth holding on to, why would it be concerned about dealing Griffin to a rival? If anything, if it’s that sure he’s going to fail wherever he goes, why wouldn’t it be aggressive about dealing him to Philadelphia in the hopes he’ll blow up their locker room? This would be the most fun destination for Griffin.

2. Buffalo Bills: The Bills are probably the team most desperate to acquire a veteran quarterback in free agency. While Buffalo fans will probably note that the team is now 6-5 and has a 4-3 record with Kyle Orton at the helm, the Bills still have to play the Broncos, Packers, and Patriots over the final five weeks. It would be a shocker if they finished even 8-8.

Orton is under contract for 2015, but the Bills would still be wise to at least consider going after competition. Having dealt their first-round pick to acquire Sammy Watkins, Buffalo would likely be more desperate to find a quarterback and send a mid-round pick Washington’s way in the hopes of procuring RG3. With Buffalo tucked away safely in the AFC, the Bills might also be one of the few landing spots Washington prefers.

1. St. Louis Rams: And yet, the best fit might very well be the team that traded away the chance to acquire Griffin in the first place. The Rams have recouped a bounty for their decision to trade away the second overall pick three years ago, but the one thing they failed to come away with as part of that deal is a viable starting quarterback. Sam Bradford’s injuries should force him out of town this offseason, and while the Rams appeared to have stumbled onto a starter with Austin Davis, the franchise soured on him quickly enough to run back to veteran retread Shaun Hill two weeks ago.

The Rams also are good enough and have an easy enough schedule over the next five weeks (with games against Oakland, Washington, and the Giants) to likely finish somewhere in the lower half of the top 10, a spot that could preclude them from getting one of the draft’s top-rated passers. Given that they’ve had so many draft picks over the past three seasons by virtue of the Griffin trade and the subsequent deals the Rams made with those picks, they are perhaps best positioned to send a mid-round selection to Washington for Griffin, even after dealing a fourth- and sixth-rounder to the Buccaneers in October for Mark Barron.

At some point, it’s worth it for the Rams to go after a high-risk option. Bradford was one of the lowest-reward options in football when he was in the lineup. The Rams have built a deep roster with talent up and down the lineup, but they’ve never taken a risk on a player like Griffin, who might dramatically improve their fortunes. I wouldn’t make the move if they intend to hold on to offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer, but if the Rams found a more imaginative replacement and moved on from Bradford, Griffin would be a logical fit.

In all, I strongly doubt that Griffin will remain on the Washington roster in 2015. There’s just not enough to be gained by having him around, especially with all the public posturing from Gruden suggesting that he wants to move on and go after the quarterback of his choosing. If Washington fires Gruden and hires somebody like Briles or Harbaugh, it would make sense for Griffin to stay. Otherwise, a trade makes the most sense, and these are the 10 teams that most obviously fit a Griffin deal.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

What the hell are you smoking? Pierre Garcon? Desean Jackson? Andre Roberts? That's not talent? His receiving group is as good as any in the league.

RG3 sucks because he sucks, period.

Coaching? You mean the guy who developed Horse face? Colt McCoy seemed to play well under Jay Gruden. Andy Dalton was a fantasy star with Jay Gruden.

Incorrect.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Williams

Incorrect.

I guess hes not quite THAT Old School.

[58kcfan89]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Who was the moron that said they could tell if a guy was open based on still shots alone?

You can't be serious. Even if you're going to make an argument that the deep routes are covered (to which I would say a quality NFL QB should hit them), 2 of his 3 short options don't have a defender within 5 yards and the other (over the middle) has much more room than that.

I know a still shot only shows a little bit, but this more than proves the point. And the point is that RG3 is more than capable of Cassel-esque awfulness.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by 58kcfan89

You can't be serious. Even if you're going to make an argument that the deep routes are covered (to which I would say a quality NFL QB should hit them), 2 of his 3 short options don't have a defender within 5 yards and the other (over the middle) has much more room than that.

I know a still shot only shows a little bit, but this more than proves the point. And the point is that RG3 is more than capable of Cassel-esque awfulness.

Typo. They said they could not tell.

[58kcfan89]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Typo. They said they could not tell.

Ah. My bad.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by 58kcfan89

Ah. My bad.

No. You are right. It came when Clay had the shots of Alex missing open guys.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Williams

Incorrect.

How so? He was his OC from 84-87. Was part of the offensive staff again from 90-91. Then became his HC in 95, the years when Horse Face had his most success.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

How so? He was his OC from 84-87. Was part of the offensive staff again from 90-91. Then became his HC in 95, the years when Horse Face had his most success.

. You had no clue of that until Dane mentioned it or you would have said that in your first shitty rebutal.

[thabear04]

I'll give him a 2nd and a 3rd but if he active for 5 games it turns into a 2nd round (jk) I'll pass on him.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

. You had no clue of that until Dane mentioned it or you would have said that in your first shitty rebutal.

Or I just didn't feel the need to correct the first dumbass and only felt compelled to reply again because a second dumbass showed up?

[redfan]

No, no, no **** NO!!! Loved him at Baylor, but he's bad news.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Or I just didn't feel the need to correct the first dumbass and only felt compelled to reply again because a second dumbass showed up?

Your first reply only referenced the Super bowls. Your 2nd one basically was a copy and paste of Danes post. Nice try.

[Reerun_KC]

Can we give aids and make him ggo away forever?