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Old 07-16-2015, 08:58 AM  
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What do the Chiefs do w/ the extra cap space?
The Chiefs supposedly gain about $4-5M in cap space w/ the Justin Houston contract extension.

What do the Chiefs do w/ that extra cap allowance?
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Old 07-16-2015, 09:42 PM   #91
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What numbers? INT totals? Cherry's INT totals shit on Earl Thomas', who's been placed in a much more favorable position to rack up INTs playing center field since day 1, as well. Is Earl Thomas more Jerome Woods than Deron Cherry?
Earl Thomas is a better safety than Woods and if the Chiefs could re-draft, I'd bet they'd take Thomas over Berry.

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Cherry played 7 full seasons. 6 Pro Bowls and 3 first-team All-Pros. Berry played 3 full seasons. 3 Pro Bowls and 1 first-team All-Pro.
Pro Bowls are popularity contests. Deron Cherry was a complete player and a game changer. How many games have you watched in which Berry changed the outcome of the game?

Furthermore, the Chiefs just had their best season against the pass in two decades, yet Berry was mostly invisible and outplayed by Ron Parker.
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Old 07-16-2015, 09:48 PM   #92
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Sucks that he had a foot injury then the cancer last year. Seemed with the regime change he was really taking off in 2013 being it his best year as a pro.
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Old 07-16-2015, 09:51 PM   #93
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Earl Thomas is a better safety than Woods and if the Chiefs could re-draft, I'd bet they'd take Thomas over Berry.
Well duh! Thomas is still playing and Eric Berry has cancer.



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Pro Bowls are popularity contests. Deron Cherry was a complete player and a game changer. How many games have you watched in which Berry changed the outcome of the game?

Furthermore, the Chiefs just had their best season against the pass in two decades, yet Berry was mostly invisible and outplayed by Ron Parker.
That's tough to answer but the guy had 3 TDs in a relatively short career, neutralized some great TEs, and always seemed to be around the ball.

And duh! Berry had ****ing cancer!!!
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Old 07-16-2015, 09:53 PM   #94
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Sucks that he had a foot injury then the cancer last year. Seemed with the regime change he was really taking off in 2013 being it his best year as a pro.
Also that they were planning on having him play deep more. Hopefully he recovers though, tough situation
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Berry was complete as well. He was one of the best run stopping and pass rushing safeties in the league while also being, as I've highlighted earlier in this thread, very good in coverage. People just remember when he got abused by Gates and some others in his rookie season and latch onto those memories.

For God's sake, we had the guy playing CB in 2013. Dude played LB, FS, SS, and CB. He was a stud.
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Well duh! Thomas is still playing and Eric Berry has cancer.
Cancer aside, Dude
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It would be nice to have his athleticism at deep safety with the current t defense though.
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Cancer aside, Dude
That's not really comparing apples to apples. We used Berry more similarly to the way the Hawks use Chancellor and his responsibilities are entirely different from Earl Thomas'.

But I could field that argument.

It doesn't say much to your argument, though. Earl Thomas is probably the best safety of the post-Ed Reed/Troy Polamalu generation. Saying we may have drafted him over Berry isn't really a slight on Berry.
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It would be nice to have his athleticism at deep safety with the current t defense though.
That's why I miss Berry so much. We were supposedly moving him back deep more. I was excited to see what he can do because he can cover well and make plays on the ball. (Sideline INT in SD a couple years ago).
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It's a game of number$....and a great safety vs. a very good safety doesn't really matter as much as other positions. Its a terrible allocation of funds. If they are a liability (Lewis) it matters though.

I never liked picking a safety @ #5 and still dont. Berry was good...but wasn't even close to an Ed Reed type. He seems like a good dude..so my opinion is nothing personal.
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It's a game of number$....and a great safety vs. a very good safety doesn't really matter as much as other positions. Its a terrible allocation of funds. If they are a liability (Lewis) it matters though.

I never liked picking a safety @ #5 and still dont. Berry was good...buy wasn't even close to an Ed Reed type. He seems like a good dude..so my opinion is nothing personal.
He wasn't used like Ed Reed. Thus, the comps aren't fair.
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He wasn't used like Ed Reed. Thus, the comps aren't fair.
Nobody in their right mind spends a #5 pick on a SS...and pays them 60 million. He was drafted to be the next Ed Reed.

Like I said in a previous post...why was Sutton using him like he was?
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That's not really comparing apples to apples. We used Berry more similarly to the way the Hawks use Chancellor and his responsibilities are entirely different from Earl Thomas'.

But I could field that argument.

It doesn't say much to your argument, though. Earl Thomas is probably the best safety of the post-Ed Reed/Troy Polamalu generation. Saying we may have drafted him over Berry isn't really a slight on Berry.
This solidifies what I stated in my initial comment: Eric Berry is overrated.

He's a fine player and appears to be a good person. But his salary has never been justified and he's not a game changer on the field.
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Nobody in their right mind spends a #5 pick on a SS...and pays them 60 million. He was drafted to be the next Ed Reed.

Like I said in a previous post...why was Sutton using him like he was?
It wasn't just sutton, crennel used him like that too. I don't know why. I've always questioned it.
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Alright, I found some stats on the 2013 season. Anyone that remembers that year, we damn near had Berry cover the other team's TE exclusively. Here are some of the big names and numbers they put up with Berry blanketing them:

Jason Witten: 8 targets 3 catches 12 yards 0 TDs

Brent Celek/Zach Ertz: 5 targets 2 catches 18 yards 0 TDs/1 target 1 catch 5 yards 0 TDs

Delanie Walker: 6 targets 4 catches 43 yards 0 TDs

Jordan Cameron: 4 targets 4 catches 81 yards

Scott Chandler: 9 targets 3 catches 26 yards 0 TDs

Julius Thomas: 5 targets 3 catches 43 yards 1 TD

Antonio Gates: 8 targets 3 catches 21 yards 0 TDs

Coby Fleener: 3 targets 2 catches 8 yards 0 TDs
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