Chiefs Alex Smith is a damn good QB - Page 58

TLO · 11-02-2014, 01:56 PM

Just look at some of the numbers around the league today. We're lucky to have him as our QB.

**Bearcat** · 11-07-2014, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mav

Its a tale of two different defenses. Ones that can KEEP him in the pocket, and those that cant. The one play the Rams last weekend weren't able to keep Kaep in the pocket, he rolled right, came back across the field to a wide open Boldin. That's it. Other than that,, they kept him in the pocket all day, and sacked him 8 times.

How anyone can assume that he hasn't hit his ceiling, when all of the numbers and results scream that he has is beyond me.

they act like this kid is 24, 25 years old. Hes 27, and despite them constantly adding playmakers to his team, doesn't seem to be able to take that leap.

meanwhile Alex Smith with far less talent around him, seems to at the very least be getting max from the players he has around him.

I could be wrong.

I know im a biased Alex Smith ball gargler who can see him do no wrong, and must defend every decision to the DEATH.

But, that's just what I see.

I thought the same about Eli Manning, wondering if he'd ever get it, then he did... at least for a couple of years. But yeah, 27 and with those weapons, the time is now, and I can see why fans would be impatient. As far as Kaepernick ever getting it though, like I've said, I have no idea, you would know better than me.

**Mav** · 11-07-2014, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

Well, you're taking this a lot more seriously than I am, as I have no agenda in this argument and don't believe I've once actually said Kaepernick is the better alternative... I haven't watched a single 49ers game, so it was a legit question and not just baiting because I'm a Kaepernick fan or Smith "hater" or whatever.

And yeah, that's exactly what I looked at, and like I mentioned, his receivers are definitely lagging behind, except for Boldin.

So yeah, Kaepernick is probably holding back that offense, so the questions are:
1) Is he smart enough to improve?

2) How significant of an improvement would Smith be?
More efficient, probably... full potential of those weapons, probably not. It would be interesting to see, for sure, since so much of the pro debate around Smith isn't about him, but his coaches, WRs, offensive line, etc.

Boldin, Stevie Johnson, Michael Crabtree, Brandon Lloyd, all excel after the Catch. I think Alex Smith would do wonderful with that kind of receiving Corps. He has never had anything close to that.

Would he be a 4000 30 td guy?

No, he wouldn't, but they would be extremely balanced, and probably lead the league in rushing.

And as Clay pointed out, even if it was back handed, Alex Smith just has a way of finding top 5 defenses. Now, I know you don't take this that seriously, but let me ask you a question, at what point does that stop becoming a coincidence, and start becoming a TREND.

Alex Smith said something during his first year with Harbaugh that has always stuck with me.

make sure that every possession ends in a kick. A punt, fg, or extra point. Giving the opposing team the short field with a turnover is a killer. he embodies that, yes to a fault, but the reality is, that with that philosophy, the Chiefs rarely are out of games. Other than the Titans game, has there been ONE single game where the Chiefs were just beaten and didn't have a chance?

Which for all of my supposed "PRAISE" of alex smith, is the only true compliment I have ever given alex smith. I never said he will win games, I said he will give the Chiefs a CHANCE to win games because he wont turn the ball over.

Shrugs.

**Bearcat** · 11-07-2014, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by temper11

You just don't value small ball. Which is odd for someone from KC. Smith's game is the equivalent to Small ball in baseball. It's bunting runners over... and stealing bags (WCO). Getting guys in scoring position and then base hitting them in (TOP). Scratching out a modest lead and then shutting them down with good pitching (Not turning the ball over). It's a pretty solid analogy. Smith is a big factor in all of those areas. Not the only piece but a significant piece.

It's Marty ball, or Herm ball... even the small ball Royals won games this postseason with late home runs, and then made a terrible mistake by using one of their hottest hitters to bunt with no outs in game 7, giving Bumgarner a free out.

So no, I don't value small ball.

ViperVisor · 11-07-2014, 07:15 PM

Kaepernick's fundamentals sabotage his potential development.

Some select few can break mold and excel despite bad habits.

His footwork and throwing motion are going to make him nothing more than a good QB who has his days because his physical ability is great.

**Bearcat** · 11-07-2014, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mav

I look at the Chiefs team, and I see them like the Wisconsin Badgers basketball team.

**Mav** · 11-07-2014, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

I thought the same about Eli Manning, wondering if he'd ever get it, then he did... at least for a couple of years. But yeah, 27 and with those weapons, the time is now, and I can see why fans would be impatient. As far as Kaepernick ever getting it though, like I've said, I have no idea, you would know better than me.

Admittedly, I barely watch 49er games anymore. And that is honest. In the past two years, I maybe have watched 4 entire games. And one of those was against the Chiefs, the other was the Seahawks NFCCG, and the Packers 49ers playoff game because im married to a packer fan.

So, I wouldn't know. But, it would seem especially seeing the highlights, and reading about the past game, that he hasn't progressed that much.

Wallcrawler · 11-07-2014, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

1) Is he smart enough to improve?

2) How significant of an improvement would Smith be?
More efficient, probably... full potential of those weapons, probably not. It would be interesting to see, for sure, since so much of the pro debate around Smith isn't about him, but his coaches, WRs, offensive line, etc.

This shouldn't be difficult at all to figure out, or to see if your eyes are open.

Alex has played extremely well since Harbaugh righted the ship. His level of play has not dropped since that time. He went to an NFC title game that was fumbled away on special teams, and was playing very well when he went out with the concussion.

He then goes to KC, leads the team to an 11-5 record and leads the offense without Charles to 44 points in a loss to the Colts. This season, he is still playing the same style. Just do what it takes to win the game and take care of the ball. 3 picks in game 1, only 1 in the 7 games since.

Kap had a season and a half of success. He was something defenses hadn't seen, and had trouble with, and after some time to scheme against him, his level of play has dropped considerably. Boneheaded throws, turnovers, sacks he could and should avoid, right now there has to be some sense of unease in the organization dropping all that cash on him and the return they are getting right now.

The guy has all these weapons and still isn't getting the job done. Gore, Davis, Boldin, Crabtree, Johnson, LLoyd, I mean Jesus man, what more does a so called "elite" QB need to succeed? What happens when those weapons start leaving and aren't adequately replaced?

Smith is 5-3 with absolute shit to work with at O-line and WR. Bad coaching/playcalling cost us a couple games or we would be even better. Alex is making the most of what he has, without turning the football over. Kap has everything you could want, and is still only 4-4.

Niners kept the wrong guy, and when Harbaugh bails, who knows what a dumpster fire Kaepernick is going to turn into.

Sandy Vagina · 11-07-2014, 07:22 PM

Kaep is the classic backyard baller... bipolar freak that can and will make you say,

"wow, awesome!" a third of the time...
say "wtf? that was awful!" another third of the time..
and the other third is average mix of "meh."

the concern for their fans is... just how detrimental will that "wtf?" part be?

**Bearcat** · 11-07-2014, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mav

Boldin, Stevie Johnson, Michael Crabtree, Brandon Lloyd, all excel after the Catch. I think Alex Smith would do wonderful with that kind of receiving Corps. He has never had anything close to that.

Would he be a 4000 30 td guy?

No, he wouldn't, but they would be extremely balanced, and probably lead the league in rushing.

And as Clay pointed out, even if it was back handed, Alex Smith just has a way of finding top 5 defenses. Now, I know you don't take this that seriously, but let me ask you a question, at what point does that stop becoming a coincidence, and start becoming a TREND.

Alex Smith said something during his first year with Harbaugh that has always stuck with me.

make sure that every possession ends in a kick. A punt, fg, or extra point. Giving the opposing team the short field with a turnover is a killer. he embodies that, yes to a fault, but the reality is, that with that philosophy, the Chiefs rarely are out of games. Other than the Titans game, has there been ONE single game where the Chiefs were just beaten and didn't have a chance?

Which for all of my supposed "PRAISE" of alex smith, is the only true compliment I have ever given alex smith. I never said he will win games, I said he will give the Chiefs a CHANCE to win games because he wont turn the ball over.

Shrugs.

Sure, keep the defense off the field, etc... and you can win a lot of regular season games by simply running an efficient offense and not making mistakes.

But, I'll always come back to the games against the Peyton Mannings and Andrew Lucks of the world... the types of defenses that beat those guys in the playoffs aren't simply top 10 because their QB is efficient or even plain top 10, they're pretty damn good.

In those games, I'd take my chances with an aggressive QB... well, if IQ was on one axis and aggressiveness the other, I'm not sure where the intersection of dumb/aggressive would have to be before I'd go smart/conservative, but I digress.

High risk/high reward, unless you're just plain better on the other side of the ball.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-07-2014, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Kaep is the classic backyard baller... bipolar freak that can and will make you say,

"wow, awesome!" a third of the time...
say "wtf? that was awful!" another third of the time..
and the other third is average mix of "meh."

the concern for their fans is... just how detrimental will that "wtf?" part be?

You know what Alex makes me say?

"ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
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ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
-fart-ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
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-woo-woo-woo-woo-woo!/Curley Joe

Marcellus · 11-07-2014, 07:31 PM

Some of you would rather lose with a QB like Geno than win with Alex.

Its ****ing ridiculous.

OldSchool · 11-07-2014, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

Sure, keep the defense off the field, etc... and you can win a lot of regular season games by simply running an efficient offense and not making mistakes.

But, I'll always come back to the games against the Peyton Mannings and Andrew Lucks of the world... the types of defenses that beat those guys in the playoffs aren't simply top 10 because their QB is efficient or even plain top 10, they're pretty damn good.

In those games, I'd take my chances with an aggressive QB... well, if IQ was on one axis and aggressiveness the other, I'm not sure where the intersection of dumb/aggressive would have to be before I'd go smart/conservative, but I digress.

High risk/high reward, unless you're just plain better on the other side of the ball.

Right, because Smith has failed to play well in the post-season.

Sandy Vagina · 11-07-2014, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 505 Chief

You know what Alex makes me say?

"ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
-fart-ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
-woo-woo-woo-woo-woo!/Curley Joe

delightful, that you can contribute your typical level of sagacity.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-07-2014, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

delightful, that you can contribute your typical level of sagacity.

**Mav** · 11-07-2014, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

Sure, keep the defense off the field, etc... and you can win a lot of regular season games by simply running an efficient offense and not making mistakes.

But, I'll always come back to the games against the Peyton Mannings and Andrew Lucks of the world... the types of defenses that beat those guys in the playoffs aren't simply top 10 because their QB is efficient or even plain top 10, they're pretty damn good.

In those games, I'd take my chances with an aggressive QB... well, if IQ was on one axis and aggressiveness the other, I'm not sure where the intersection of dumb/aggressive would have to be before I'd go smart/conservative, but I digress.

High risk/high reward, unless you're just plain better on the other side of the ball.

are we sure that the Chiefs don't have a really good defense?

I mean to me personally, yes, I do think that the defense is being helped by a ball control offense, and vice versa, but, are we absolutely sure that the Chiefs defense isn't just dominant?

I hope we don't have to find out, but its something that at best is a I don't know, because fortunately, we haven't had to figure that out.

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