Something of a moral dilemma

[Wallcrawler]

So, Im in position to take over the reigns of the store Im currently working in. Its a very small staff, three of us managers and four part time employees.

Things go pretty well most of the time, despite some maturity issues with my direct supervisor. He's only 26, and as far as the business goes, he knows literally everything. Theres no task or problem or issue that he cannot readily resolve within a few minutes.

However, when it comes to actually leading a team of people, this guy is ASS. For real. Schedule changes with little to no notice, making people stay longer so that he can leave early, calling people in early so that he can go home, and being a dick in general about requests for time off even if they are the required two weeks in advance.

So we have a part timer who does a decent job, not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but the effort is there. He's decided that we are going to part ways with this person, but Im going to be the one to cut the ties.

Over the phone.

To me, this is complete bullshit. The guy being fired, we'll call him "Joe" is only being fired because he's called the boss out on multiple offenses of laziness, both just hanging out in back while on a shift, as well as the multiple counts of leaving early. Joe's broken plans repeatedly, without complaint, to come in early so Boss could leave early. No emergency, just tired of being there.

The first thing I tell Boss is that its chickenshit to fire someone over the phone. If Im going to take your ability to provide for your family from you, Im going to at least have the sac to look you in the face when I do it, and tell you why.

Boss gives zero ****s what I think, or what my view is. He's the boss, Im the subordinate, and my instructions are to call Joe in the morning and tell him that his services are no longer required.

If I refuse, Ill be documented for insubordination and my position to take over the business will take a substantial hit, because the third manager "Yes Man" is a bit spineless when it comes to taking a stand on anything, and simply does what he's told without question.

Now, I have no problem with Joe. Joe could be faster, and smarter, but Joe is always on time, always covers shifts when needed, and always works 100% of the time he is present. In short, dude's not perfect but he's doing everything he can at all times. That goes a long way in my book.

I don't really know what I should do. I mean I want to tell Boss to go **** himself and if he wants to be a chickenshit and fire Joe over the phone for being called out as a lazy **** from time to time, that's his problem and not mine.

On the other hand, I could lose my position to Yes Man and potentially screw myself out of a nice pay increase, perks, and better job security when Boss transfers in June.


Going over Boss' head is out of the question, as the District Manager and Boss are aquainted outside of work and have known each other for about 5 years.

So my choice is to call up Joe in the morning and tell him that he's fired and not be able to tell him exactly why he's being fired, or to tell my Boss to **** off and put my future at risk.

Its such a shit thing to do to someone, especially so close to Christmas.

[Wallcrawler]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

Either that OR he's telling joe to call you and let you know you are terminated.

Heh.

Wait, that's not funny.

[Simply Red]

Originally Posted by Earthling

Office politics. One of multiple reasons I started my own company.

this.

[Fairplay]

I'm Joe

[Bwana]

Originally Posted by Fairplay

I'm Joe

Hi Joe, you're about to get horsed.

[ILChief]

What ever happened? Did you and or Joe get fired?

[Wallcrawler]

Originally Posted by ILChief

What ever happened? Did you and or Joe get fired?

Nope.

I didn't do what he asked, then said we should move forward with the documentation. He went outside, smoked a cigarette, and gave me the rest of the day off paid so I could watch the Seahawks game.

Said we would talk about the situation when we had all calmed down and that conversation has never taken place.

Business has been pretty crazy with the Black Friday prep. I would say if something happens with Joe, it wont be until after this weekend is over. In any case, if Joe is being let go, I wont be the one doing it.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

Nope.

I didn't do what he asked, then said we should move forward with the documentation. He went outside, smoked a cigarette, and gave me the rest of the day off paid so I could watch the Seahawks game.

Said we would talk about the situation when we had all calmed down and that conversation has never taken place.

Business has been pretty crazy with the Black Friday prep. I would say if something happens with Joe, it wont be until after this weekend is over. In any case, if Joe is being let go, I wont be the one doing it.

That is good news. Now you don't have to have Joe being fired and ruining his holiday on your mind all week. Too many people live their life in the gray area's when they know they should do the right thing. Anytime you sacrifice your honor-it will always end bad. Glad it worked out for you.