Minnesota man who killed teens in break-in charged with murder

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by Rausch

OR we could look at the facts as they are.

Just throwing that out there...

Well, sure. But then we wouldn't have this long thread. Lots of speculation here and we still don't know all of the facts. More and more are coming out all the time.

[InChiefsHeaven]

Originally Posted by Lzen

Playing devil's advocate here. People suggested the kids would later sue. Well, how about if, after he shot them the kids were threatening to come back and kill him later on? Or perhaps they had been threatening him in the months prior? I'm not saying I could just shoot someone in cold blood while they are laying there bleeding and dying. But what if these wonderful kids had driven him over the edge?

Even people driven "over the edge" don't have an excuse to murder people. They go to jail for it.

Just like this guy probably should.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by tooge

Two druggie thief teenagers are dead because they broke into a guys house who had a gun. That's it. End of story. They are dead. It doesn't matter if they would have died with the first shot or later, they are dead.

pretty much none of this. Exactly the opposite, actually.

[tooge]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

pretty much none of this. Exactly the opposite, actually.

So the guy should've done what? Either shot them in the chest to begin with, resulting in death, or shot them in the leg and called the cops, resulting in the possibility that he gets sued, or, not knowing if they are concealing a weapon, he gets killed. I'd do the same thing except I'd have waited a for the intruders to take a few more steps down to make sure it was a vital shot.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by tooge

So the guy should've done what? Either shot them in the chest to begin with, resulting in death, or shot them in the leg and called the cops, resulting in the possibility that he gets sued, or, not knowing if they are concealing a weapon, he gets killed. I'd do the same thing except I'd have waited a for the intruders to take a few more steps down to make sure it was a vital shot.

yep, and used a bigger gun.

[tooge]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

yep, and used a bigger gun.

Bingo. People need to be aware of societal norms in the times they live in. These are scary times. People are armed and more trigger happy than ever. People are more on edge and stressed out than ever. Look at the cases of road rage for example.

You simply don't brake into another persons house. Period. If you do, you have to know that in todays world, there is a good chance you encounter an armed homeowner that will shoot to kill you.

Is it tragic? Sure it is. I'm sure the intruders had people that loved them. That doesn't change the fact that they were in the wrong to begin with.

[Radar Chief]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

yep, and used a bigger gun.

= why if I have to go clearing the house I’m grabbing my Colt .45.

[saphojunkie]

I am shocked and saddened that so many of you believe that a couple of kids breaking into a house (which I venture a lot of you have done just as a goof) deserved to be executed.

Even if they DID intend to steal. Really? They deserve to be executed for stealing? Thanks, Al Qaeda.

WTF is wrong with you hillbillies?

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

I am shocked and saddened that so many of you believe that a couple of kids breaking into a house (which I venture a lot of you have done just as a goof) deserved to be executed.

Even if they DID intend to steal. Really? They deserve to be executed for stealing? Thanks, Al Qaeda.

WTF is wrong with you hillbillies?

what if he was home and not ready when they showed up? do you think they would have just left?

i know some guys i grew up with that are both serving life for killing a WWII vet that had hired them to mow his lawn. they came back and thought he was gone and broke in.

he was home and they laid him on his face and blew his head off for TEN ****ING DOLLARS.

**** people like that

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

I am shocked and saddened that so many of you believe that a couple of kids breaking into a house (which I venture a lot of you have done just as a goof) deserved to be executed.

Even if they DID intend to steal. Really? They deserve to be executed for stealing? Thanks, Al Qaeda.

WTF is wrong with you hillbillies?

I am shocked and saddened that there are so many ****ing pussies out there who think like this.

[Xanathol]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

I am shocked and saddened that so many of you believe that a couple of kids breaking into a house (which I venture a lot of you have done just as a goof) deserved to be executed.

Even if they DID intend to steal. Really? They deserve to be executed for stealing? Thanks, Al Qaeda.

WTF is wrong with you hillbillies?

People like you are what's wrong with the world today, where you want to twist the roles of what actually happened and punish those who should be defended, defending those who should be punished.

You want to toss a guy away for defending himself and his property from deadbeat piece of shit teens who have repeatedly executed crimes against him that the justice system hasn't managed to stop, yet dismiss these cancers on society, defending their CRIMES as not being 'that bad' or 'something we've all done'... No, we have not 'all done it' because we are not all criminals and if we were criminals, as a CRIMINAL you have given up the right to bitch about how your VICTIM decides to deal with you, because as a VICTIM, if you are willing to break one law to hurt me or my interest, how do I know you're not going to break another / escalate? Your line of thinking is the influence behind why our justice system doesn't adequately address these problem people to begin with, which leads to.... drum roll... them continuing to commit crimes and escalating those crimes!

I wonder how 'understanding' you would be if trash like this were constantly robbing and harassing you every time you turned around with no one there to help you and being unable to help yourself, because you know, its 'not that bad'...

[ptlyon]

Originally Posted by Xanathol

People like you are what's wrong with the world today, where you want to twist the roles of what actually happened and punish those who should be defended, defending those who should be punished.

You want to toss a guy away for defending himself and his property from deadbeat piece of shit teens who have repeatedly executed crimes against him that the justice system hasn't managed to stop, yet dismiss these cancers on society, defending their CRIMES as not being 'that bad' or 'something we've all done'... No, we have not 'all done it' because we are not all criminals and if we were criminals, as a CRIMINAL you have given up the right to bitch about how your VICTIM decides to deal with you, because as a VICTIM, if you are willing to break one law to hurt me or my interest, how do I know you're not going to break another / escalate? Your line of thinking is the influence behind why our justice system doesn't adequately address these problem people to begin with, which leads to.... drum roll... them continuing to commit crimes and escalating those crimes!

I wonder how 'understanding' you would be if trash like this were constantly robbing and harassing you every time you turned around with no one there to help you and being unable to help yourself, because you know, its 'not that bad'...

****ING.AWESOME.

[WhiteWhale]

Originally Posted by Xanathol

People like you are what's wrong with the world today, where you want to twist the roles of what actually happened and punish those who should be defended, defending those who should be punished.

You want to toss a guy away for defending himself and his property from deadbeat piece of shit teens who have repeatedly executed crimes against him that the justice system hasn't managed to stop, yet dismiss these cancers on society, defending their CRIMES as not being 'that bad' or 'something we've all done'... No, we have not 'all done it' because we are not all criminals and if we were criminals, as a CRIMINAL you have given up the right to bitch about how your VICTIM decides to deal with you, because as a VICTIM, if you are willing to break one law to hurt me or my interest, how do I know you're not going to break another / escalate? Your line of thinking is the influence behind why our justice system doesn't adequately address these problem people to begin with, which leads to.... drum roll... them continuing to commit crimes and escalating those crimes!

I wonder how 'understanding' you would be if trash like this were constantly robbing and harassing you every time you turned around with no one there to help you and being unable to help yourself, because you know, its 'not that bad'...

You can't defend yourself against a defenseless person. That's murder.

[Omaha]

Originally Posted by Xanathol

You want to toss a guy away for defending himself and his property from deadbeat piece of shit teens who have repeatedly executed crimes against him that the justice system hasn't managed to stop, yet dismiss these cancers on society, defending

No. Nobody wants to "toss the guy away" for defending himself. The problem is what he did after he successfully defended himself.

[WhiteWhale]

Originally Posted by Omaha

No. Nobody wants to "toss the guy away" for defending himself. The problem is what he did after he successfully defended himself.

I applaud him for what he did, up until he murdered them in cold blood.

It amazes me that people can't see this line. It's an important line to understand if someone breaks into your home. The difference between no charges and murder charges...