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Old 05-15-2013, 06:34 AM   #1
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I guess that answers the question about whether this takes place before Avengers.

Coulson lives!
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Old 07-21-2013, 07:25 AM   #2
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I guess that answers the question about whether this takes place before Avengers.

Coulson lives!
Perhaps some Luke Cage in there?

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Old 09-24-2013, 09:45 AM   #3
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I guess that answers the question about whether this takes place before Avengers.

Coulson lives!
In case you hadn't heard, Coulson's death was an elaborate ruse.

I'm skeptical that this can work for multiple seasons (or even 24 episodes) but it's set to record.
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Old 09-24-2013, 01:17 PM   #4
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In case you hadn't heard, Coulson's death was an elaborate ruse.
Yes, that was my take back when the movie came out. Although IIRC there was still some debate at the time that post was made back in May what really happened, and some early talk about whether the TV show was a prequel that took place before Coulson died (or "died").

EDIT: Indeed, check out Deberg's post earlier in this thread.
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Old 09-24-2013, 05:03 PM   #5
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In case you hadn't heard, Coulson's death was an elaborate ruse.

I'm skeptical that this can work for multiple seasons (or even 24 episodes) but it's set to record.
I think it's going to be huge, but for a reason that will probably sound weird coming from me as someone who prefers drama with grey or darker tones: it's light-hearted. Everything is skewed so dark nowadays, that I think a good (that's important, it has to be good...) family-safe show with humor and a slant towards hope is going to be an easy sell. It also helps that they can play off the popularity of both Marvel and Joss Wheden.

What I wonder is why they put it up against NCIS. Starting a new series up against the #1 show seems like a gamble. Maybe they're not counting on audience cross-over, and hoping the (likely) younger audience they should bring in skews things in their favor.
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Old 09-24-2013, 05:12 PM   #6
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I think it's going to be huge, but for a reason that will probably sound weird coming from me as someone who prefers drama with grey or darker tones: it's light-hearted. Everything is skewed so dark nowadays, that I think a good (that's important, it has to be good...) family-safe show with humor and a slant towards hope is going to be an easy sell. It also helps that they can play off the popularity of both Marvel and Joss Wheden.

What I wonder is why they put it up against NCIS. Starting a new series up against the #1 show seems like a gamble. Maybe they're not counting on audience cross-over, and hoping the (likely) younger audience they should bring in skews things in their favor.
What concerns me long term (and even short term for that matter) is that none of Marvel's most well-known characters will appear in this series.

No Hulk, Iron Man, Thor, or Captain America. Even lessor knowns like Hawkeye, Black Widow and Ant Man won't appear, either, because there are plans for stand-alone films for each. Jeremy Renner and Scarlett Jo aren't going to appear on a weekly TV series. It's possible that whomever they cast as Ant-Man will have a crossover but that's about it.

And certainly no Spidey.

So with that in mind, how does this series sustain the already built-in audience? That's the biggest question, IMO.
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Old 09-24-2013, 05:18 PM   #7
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What concerns me long term (and even short term for that matter) is that none of Marvel's most well-known characters will appear in this series.

No Hulk, Iron Man, Thor, or Captain America. Even lessor knowns like Hawkeye, Black Widow and Ant Man won't appear, either, because there are plans for stand-alone films for each. Jeremy Renner and Scarlett Jo aren't going to appear on a weekly TV series. It's possible that whomever they cast as Ant-Man will have a crossover but that's about it.

And certainly no Spidey.

So with that in mind, how does this series sustain the already built-in audience? That's the biggest question, IMO.
That's a tough question. It matters if Samuel L Jackson at least cameos in it and if they can snag Cobie Smoulders (whatever her role in Avengers was) it will make for easier transition.
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What concerns me long term (and even short term for that matter) is that none of Marvel's most well-known characters will appear in this series.

No Hulk, Iron Man, Thor, or Captain America. Even lessor knowns like Hawkeye, Black Widow and Ant Man won't appear, either, because there are plans for stand-alone films for each. Jeremy Renner and Scarlett Jo aren't going to appear on a weekly TV series. It's possible that whomever they cast as Ant-Man will have a crossover but that's about it.

And certainly no Spidey.

So with that in mind, how does this series sustain the already built-in audience? That's the biggest question, IMO.
There are thousands of Marvel comix characters. Hundreds of good one's.

I think lesser know characters like Maddrox (multiple man,) Luke Cage, and inter-dimensional and ET characters could be used.
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What concerns me long term (and even short term for that matter) is that none of Marvel's most well-known characters will appear in this series.

No Hulk, Iron Man, Thor, or Captain America. Even lessor knowns like Hawkeye, Black Widow and Ant Man won't appear, either, because there are plans for stand-alone films for each. Jeremy Renner and Scarlett Jo aren't going to appear on a weekly TV series. It's possible that whomever they cast as Ant-Man will have a crossover but that's about it.

And certainly no Spidey.

So with that in mind, how does this series sustain the already built-in audience? That's the biggest question, IMO.
I think the show survives by generating strong storylines that don't have anything to do with established Marvel canon (or just loose association or minor characters). It's all about the characters they create for the show. If people care about the ensemble cast, if the audience becomes invested in their story, people will keep tuning in. Like any other show. Strong acting, good writing. Good TV.
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Old 09-25-2013, 10:34 AM   #10
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I think the show survives by generating strong storylines that don't have anything to do with established Marvel canon (or just loose association or minor characters). It's all about the characters they create for the show. If people care about the ensemble cast, if the audience becomes invested in their story, people will keep tuning in. Like any other show. Strong acting, good writing. Good TV.
Easier said than done.

This is exactly why pilots are necessary.

If a pilot doesn't find an audience immediately, more often than not, the show doesn't survive. Networks aren't going to commit to 13 or 24 episodes when no one is watching.
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Easier said than done.
Yeah.

(And I should clarify I was just laying out how I thought it would best be done, not making a prediction that that's what they'll do, or that it will work. I obviously have no idea what's going to happen...)
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What I wonder is why they put it up against NCIS. Starting a new series up against the #1 show seems like a gamble. Maybe they're not counting on audience cross-over, and hoping the (likely) younger audience they should bring in skews things in their favor.
Just a guess, but NCIS appeals to 50 and over? Personally I've never seen an episode. I hate procedural shows.
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Just a guess, but NCIS appeals to 50 and over? Personally I've never seen an episode. I hate procedural shows.
I don't know if I agree with this. I think NCIS has appeal across all age groups to be that popular. Plus to me what doesn't make sense is that most of the true/long time Marvel fans are probably in the 50 and over crowd wouldn't you think?
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Just a guess, but NCIS appeals to 50 and over? Personally I've never seen an episode. I hate procedural shows.
I tried to watch NCIS but I think its crap. Then when it became the #1 show, I tried to go back and watch again from the beginning, but it just really sucks. Mark Harmon is a Lifetime movie actor at best. I just don't understand how this could be the #1 show.
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I liked it.

See how it goes when Joss Whedon isn't writing and directing it.
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