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[planetdoc]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

He's suggesting a hybrid D, which is probably more common in today's NFL than strict 3-4s.

how do you think that will fare against "no huddle" offenses which limit the ability for defenses to substitute?

Also, since he is suggesting a hybrid d, would that make Aaron Donald a role player or a starter? Would you be ok drafting a player in the 1st round who is only playing limited snaps?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by planetdoc

how do you think that will fare against "no huddle" offenses which limit the ability for defenses to substitute?

It makes it easier to defend?

Put athletic football players out there, not just a "pass rusher" or a "run stopper".

[planetdoc]

Originally Posted by O.city

It makes it easier to defend?

Put athletic football players out there, not just a "pass rusher" or a "run stopper".

how so? A hybrid defense by definition will have players better suited for a particular scheme (3-4 or 4-3)

Are you suggesting that defensive lineman can play equally well in either scheme?

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by planetdoc

how so? A hybrid defense by definition will have players better suited for a particular scheme (3-4 or 4-3)

Are you suggesting that defensive lineman can play equally well in either scheme?

You've never heard of a hybrid defense? Get with the times.

[planetdoc]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

You've never heard of a hybrid defense? Get with the times.

thats not what I said, nor does it relate to the quoted text. you are using propaganda techniques such as "misrepresenting your opponents position."

[O.city]

Originally Posted by planetdoc

how so? A hybrid defense by definition will have players better suited for a particular scheme (3-4 or 4-3)

Are you suggesting that defensive lineman can play equally well in either scheme?

Are you suggesting some can't?

[planetdoc]

Originally Posted by O.city

Are you suggesting some can't?

nope. I am suggesting that Aaron Donald cant. I dont think he fits in a 3-4 defense.

Also, your use of not answering my question, and instead asking another is a propaganda technique known as "answering a question with a question."

[O.city]

Originally Posted by planetdoc

nope. I am suggesting that Aaron Donald cant. I dont think he fits in a 3-4 defense.

Also, your use of not answering my question, and instead asking another is a propaganda technique known as "answering a question with a question."

I frankly don't care about Donald either way, as I'm speaking more to a philosophical line of thinking.

Be it Donald or a big wr or whatever it is.

That's what I'm talking about though. You don't just go thru a list throwing prospects out because they don't fit x or y. If a guy is a good enough football player, you fit your scheme to him.

[planetdoc]

Originally Posted by O.city

That's what I'm talking about though. You don't just go thru a list throwing prospects out because they don't fit x or y. If a guy is a good enough football player, you fit your scheme to him.

I understand that line of thinking, but an offense or defense functions as a unit. An example would be the offensive line. They have to play as a cohesive unit. A zone blocking line that has some players who are strictly man blockers will struggle as a hole. Same for vice-versa.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by planetdoc

how do you think that will fare against "no huddle" offenses which limit the ability for defenses to substitute?

Also, since he is suggesting a hybrid d, would that make Aaron Donald a role player or a starter? Would you be ok drafting a player in the 1st round who is only playing limited snaps?

Seattle drafted Bruce Irvin, a "situational" pass rusher, high in the 1st round and signed a whole bunch of "situational" pass rushers. Who just won the Super Bowl with an absolutely dominant defense?

I could care less how many snaps Donald plays, I'd actually prefer that he not play on run downs and stay rested in order to be at 100% on passing plays. Hell, I don't want any of our DL players to log more than 60% of snaps through out the season. As long as Donald's snaps are coming in the 2nd half when we have to hold onto a lead while playing on passing downs in the 1st, I am completely fine with that.

I guarantee you that Luck does not lead that comeback against us had Donald been on the field, terrorizing the middle of their line in the second half. I could care less about getting a "3-down" lineman who can dominate at 5-tech in the first quarter only to disappear in the second half. You want a 5-tech? Go sign a vet who already knows how to play it at the NFL level. Give me the most dominant 1-gap penetrator over any 5-tech project and let me turn him loose on opposing QBs in the second half when they are trying to mount a comeback.

That is the biggest reason why I want to draft Donald, he truly gives you that element vs Tuitt and Hageman who are both honestly too slow to get to the QB without great coverage on the backside helping them out. Donald is a guy who can make up for poor coverage and get into the QB's head; no way that Manning will be able to step up in the pocket with Donald and Poe collapsing the middle.

[planetdoc]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Seattle drafted Bruce Irvin, a "situational" pass rusher, high in the 1st round and signed a whole bunch of "situational" pass rushers. Who just won the Super Bowl with an absolutely dominant defense?

first, Irvin was 6'3'', 245lbs who ran the forty at 4.41 seconds. He is like an OLB....not comparable to Aaron Donald.

second, Seatle's defense is a complete team, and I think their defensive success can be attributed more to their outstanding db play more than their line. For the regular season, they had 44 sacks, tied for 8th in the NFL. Chiefs had 46 sacks.

Originally Posted by OldSchool

I could care less how many snaps Donald plays, I'd actually prefer that he not play on run downs and stay rested in order to be at 100% on passing plays. Hell, I don't want any of our DL players to log more than 60% of snaps through out the season. As long as Donald's snaps are coming in the 2nd half when we have to hold onto a lead while playing on passing downs in the 1st, I am completely fine with that.

I dont think the chiefs can dictate such scenarios. Chiefs have a much harder schedule this yr. Games will likely be close. Opportunities to substitute will be limited because opposing qbs will take advantage of such situations (i.e. they will hand off when you go into a light defense not built to defend the run).

Originally Posted by OldSchool

I guarantee you that Luck does not lead that comeback against us had Donald been on the field, terrorizing the middle of their line in the second half.

your speak in hyperbole that is illogical. you can make guarantees about the past. That is a propaganda technique called "unprovable statements." Further, the failings had to do more with the teams awful pass coverage than their pass rush.

Originally Posted by OldSchool

I could care less about getting a "3-down" lineman who can dominate at 5-tech in the first quarter only to disappear in the second half. You want a 5-tech? Go sign a vet who already knows how to play it at the NFL level. Give me the most dominant 1-gap penetrator over any 5-tech project and let me turn him loose on opposing QBs in the second half when they are trying to mount a comeback.

I am pretty sure that Sutton has his lineman 2-gapping, not 1-gapping.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by planetdoc

I am pretty sure that Sutton has his lineman 2-gapping, not 1-gapping.

Both, actually.

[planetdoc]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Both, actually.

can you please provide some proof of that statement? thanks.

Originally Posted by O.city

It's also how you pass on guys you should take.


Scheme fit is absolutely something that's should be in your list when checking a prospect, it's just that it shouldn't be

A. At the top of the list or

B. a determining factor

I disagree, and I think the chiefs disagree as well. Time will tell, but it seems like history seems to agree. All their FA pickups were to fit the scheme. Same goes with their draft picks last yr.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by planetdoc

can you please provide some proof of that statement? thanks.



I disagree, and I think the chiefs disagree as well. Time will tell, but it seems like history seems to agree. All their FA pickups were to fit the scheme. Same goes with their draft picks last yr.

Just because the Chiefs disagree, doesn't make it right.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by planetdoc

first, Irvin was 6'3'', 245lbs who ran the forty at 4.41 seconds. He is like an OLB....not comparable.



I am pretty sure that Sutton has his lineman 2-gapping, not 1-gapping.

You're right, he isn't comparable. But that's because Irvin was a raw project whereas Donald is a known commodity who is fairly polished with his technique and had tremendous production to go along with his eye-popping athleticism. Only thing they have in common is that both are undersized for the positions that they play. Irvin is a pass rusher for the Seahawks, he fills the same role as Clemons did.

Sutton's 3-4 is more of a hybrid scheme, the DL is asked to 2-gap as well as 1-gap. I guess you missed the statement that virtually every one of the players made when they said it was an attacking style of defense vs your purist 2-gap scheme? Jesus, you don't even know your own team.