Chiefs David Carr " Chiefs have higher upside with Mahomes" - Page 14

Deberg_1990 · 11-21-2017, 04:16 PM

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Yet, here we are looking at the same Kansas City Chiefs offense we've seen year after year.

The Chiefs have made three playoff appearances since Reid took over as head coach in 2013, losing once in the wild-card game (2013) and twice in the divisional round (2015, 2016). I'm a fan of Reid and quarterback Alex Smith, but with the way things are right now, they'll be sitting at home while Pittsburgh and New England duke it out on Championship Sunday.

I was Smith's teammate in San Francisco for one year (2010) and I got to know him well. When the weather starts playing a bigger factor in games late in the season, he's not a guy who can make tough throws in tough conditions. He's particular and wants the football a certain way. The colder the weather the firmer the ball and other conditions make the ball slippery. It's really hard to play in inclement weather as a quarterback, yet there are some guys -- like Brett Favre -- who could grab a ball out of a bucket of water or pile of mud and hurl it downfield. But everybody's not like that, including Smith. The conditions have to be right and the running game has to be there. As we've witnessed throughout his career, Smith isn't often going to transcend an offense and win a game on huge throws -- a frequent critique. He's just not that type of quarterback.

Early in the season, we saw Smith make those big plays and the Chiefs were rolling. We've seen downfield shots slowly digress as the season's gone on, a trend that goes back to at least the past two seasons. Since 2015, Smith has been far more effective throwing the ball down field (20-pus air yards) through the Chiefs' first eight games than he has in their final eight, completing more passes (42.1 percent vs. 36.7 percent) with a better TD-to-INT ratio (8:0 vs. 2:4) and a significantly higher passer rating (124.3 vs. 63.1).

Furthermore, since Smith's first year with the Chiefs in 2013, his passer rating on pass attempts of more than 20 yards has fallen off in the second half of the season.

September: 92.0
October: 111.1
November: 63.5
Dec.-Jan.: 68.8

The Chiefs' high-flying offense started to stall after the Steelers exposed a weakness in Week 6. Pittsburgh played more zone coverage and allowed them to throw the ball underneath by respecting the ability of Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce to make things happen downfield. In addition, the run game hasn't been as effective the last five games (the Chiefs are 1-4 in that stretch), averaging 81 rush yards per game. That's 70 yards per game fewer than Kansas City put up in its first five games (all wins). In my opinion, Smith needs the run game to improve or we'll likely see him continue to struggle throwing the ball downfield as this season progresses.

I know this sounds crazy, but there's a case for Patrick Mahomes, who played well in the preseason, to start in place of Smith as the playoffs near. The Chiefs gave up a third-rounder and next year's first to draft Mahomes, viewing him as their franchise quarterback of the future. He's a gunslinger who adds another dimension in the pass game when a) the weather worsens, and b) they're trying to go head to head with the AFC's best offenses.

It's definitely possible the Chiefs could find themselves in a Nathan Peterman situation, especially if they don't handle the timing of the switch well. We don't know. What I do know, though, is we can expect the same ending to the Chiefs' story if they don't change up their cast of characters.

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OKchiefs · 11-23-2017, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

The Chiefs were 2-14 the year before Smitty got here. He came here and they make the playoffs. Gee, what a coincidence.

Yes Reid's impact was huge as well but he isn't out there playing. Smitty turned this franchise around. Bunch of ingrates on this board.

Having a competent GM and coach turned us around, not Smith.

**Rausch** · 11-23-2017, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs

Having a competent GM and coach turned us around, not Smith.

Having a QB that didn't stare down the only place the ball was going to go definitely helped...

bigjosh · 11-23-2017, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Having a QB that didn't stare down the only place the ball was going to go definitely helped...

Our current QB does that all of the time. Pay attention

**Rausch** · 11-23-2017, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by bigjosh

Our current QB does that all of the time. Pay attention

Alex will look off all his reads before throwing into the flat...

PAChiefsGuy · 11-23-2017, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs

Having a competent GM and coach turned us around, not Smith.

I agree and both were smart enough to know Smitty is a good QB

A competent GM and HC wouldn't trade for a bad QB now would they? They both liked Smitty unlike so many of the idiot posters on here, they see the big picture.

Sandy Vagina · 11-23-2017, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Aaron Rodgers takes a bottom 10 roster to the playoffs every year.

Doesn't seem right for you to go there. Getting to the playoffs does not count. Regular season wins.. getting to the playoffs.. doesn't count anymore.

You win SBs, or you **** right off. That has been the bar set for CP.

Rodgers, nor any of those QBs (minus Brady, maybe) have not accomplished their SBs without massive help from the others on the team.

If that is an incorrect sentence... then elaborate. Otherwise.. your overall post.. which compares Smith to the handful of best QBs of the League.. falls flat.

chiefzilla1501 · 11-23-2017, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

I agree and both were smart enough to know Smitty is a good QB

A competent GM and HC wouldn't trade for a bad QB now would they? They both liked Smitty unlike so many of the idiot posters on here, they see the big picture.

Alex Smith was a good trade. That doesn't mean he's good for us now. I'm glad he brought us back to respectability. I'm glad he delivered our first playoff win. But he's not going to get us to a super bowl. We need to move on because it's clear he's starting to hold us back.

**Rausch** · 11-23-2017, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Alex Smith was a good trade. That doesn't mean he's good for us now. I'm glad he brought us back to respectability. I'm glad he delivered our first playoff win. But he's not going to get us to a super bowl.

This.

He'll play this year and then move on.

That said you don't rush/risk the future...

Sandy Vagina · 11-23-2017, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

This is a ****ing stupid comment.

Unbelievably stupid.

Mahomes has never played a down in a regular season NFL game. It's not like Reid has Favre/Montana/Brady on the bench.

Mahomes is NOT a "star." Mahomes is a great young talent we're developing.

Read that sentence more closely. You see the quotations surrounding the post in which you call stupid? C'mon man.. what do those quotations imply?

for clarity, this was the quote:
- sticking stubbornly with "a poor QB despite having a star on the bench"?

OKchiefs · 11-23-2017, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

I agree and both were smart enough to know Smitty is a good QB

A competent GM and HC wouldn't trade for a bad QB now would they? They both liked Smitty unlike so many of the idiot posters on here, they see the big picture.

And why do you think they drafted Mahomes? If they made a good decision to get Smith, you must also trust they made the right decision to draft Mahomes.

OKchiefs · 11-23-2017, 10:14 AM

For the record, Matt Cassel would have won a playoff game with that Chiefs squad against a Brian Hoyer led Texans.

**Rausch** · 11-23-2017, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Vagina

Read that sentence more closely. You see the quotations surrounding the post in which you call stupid? C'mon man.. what do those quotations imply?

for clarity, this was the quote:
- sticking stubbornly with "a poor QB despite having a star on the bench"?

That "star" is a QB who's never played a down that we all admit needs, at MINIMUM, one season on the bench to learn.

A person who needs to sit and learn is, by definition, not currently "a star."

RunKC · 11-23-2017, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

The Chiefs were 2-14 the year before Smitty got here. He came here and they make the playoffs. Gee, what a coincidence.

Yes Reid's impact was huge as well but he isn't out there playing. Smitty turned this franchise around. Bunch of ingrates on this board.

Nice to see that your SB is just making it to the playoffs.

bigjosh · 11-23-2017, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Smitty ****s my ass and doesn't pull out

FYP

**Rausch** · 11-23-2017, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs

For the record, Matt Cassel would have won a playoff game with that Chiefs squad against a Brian Hoyer led Texans.

No...

11-21-2017, 04:16 PM
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3914454	David Carr " Chiefs have higher upside with Mahomes" The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Yet, here we are looking at the same Kansas City Chiefs offense we've seen year after year. The Chiefs have made three playoff appearances since Reid took over as head coach in 2013, losing once in the wild-card game (2013) and twice in the divisional round (2015, 2016). I'm a fan of Reid and quarterback Alex Smith, but with the way things are right now, they'll be sitting at home while Pittsburgh and New England duke it out on Championship Sunday. I was Smith's teammate in San Francisco for one year (2010) and I got to know him well. When the weather starts playing a bigger factor in games late in the season, he's not a guy who can make tough throws in tough conditions. He's particular and wants the football a certain way. The colder the weather the firmer the ball and other conditions make the ball slippery. It's really hard to play in inclement weather as a quarterback, yet there are some guys -- like Brett Favre -- who could grab a ball out of a bucket of water or pile of mud and hurl it downfield. But everybody's not like that, including Smith. The conditions have to be right and the running game has to be there. As we've witnessed throughout his career, Smith isn't often going to transcend an offense and win a game on huge throws -- a frequent critique. He's just not that type of quarterback. Early in the season, we saw Smith make those big plays and the Chiefs were rolling. We've seen downfield shots slowly digress as the season's gone on, a trend that goes back to at least the past two seasons. Since 2015, Smith has been far more effective throwing the ball down field (20-pus air yards) through the Chiefs' first eight games than he has in their final eight, completing more passes (42.1 percent vs. 36.7 percent) with a better TD-to-INT ratio (8:0 vs. 2:4) and a significantly higher passer rating (124.3 vs. 63.1). Furthermore, since Smith's first year with the Chiefs in 2013, his passer rating on pass attempts of more than 20 yards has fallen off in the second half of the season. September: 92.0 October: 111.1 November: 63.5 Dec.-Jan.: 68.8 The Chiefs' high-flying offense started to stall after the Steelers exposed a weakness in Week 6. Pittsburgh played more zone coverage and allowed them to throw the ball underneath by respecting the ability of Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce to make things happen downfield. In addition, the run game hasn't been as effective the last five games (the Chiefs are 1-4 in that stretch), averaging 81 rush yards per game. That's 70 yards per game fewer than Kansas City put up in its first five games (all wins). In my opinion, Smith needs the run game to improve or we'll likely see him continue to struggle throwing the ball downfield as this season progresses. I know this sounds crazy, but there's a case for Patrick Mahomes, who played well in the preseason, to start in place of Smith as the playoffs near. The Chiefs gave up a third-rounder and next year's first to draft Mahomes, viewing him as their franchise quarterback of the future. He's a gunslinger who adds another dimension in the pass game when a) the weather worsens, and b) they're trying to go head to head with the AFC's best offenses. It's definitely possible the Chiefs could find themselves in a Nathan Peterman situation, especially if they don't handle the timing of the switch well. We don't know. What I do know, though, is we can expect the same ending to the Chiefs' story if they don't change up their cast of characters. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...-limits-chiefs
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