Chiefs Through six games, the Chiefs are the worst defense ever measured in yards allowed - Page 3

Shag · 10-15-2018, 05:28 PM

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...ense-is-great/

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Through six games, the Chiefs are the worst defense ever measured in yards allowed. They’ve yielded 2,809 yards, or 468.2 per game, and are on pace for 7,491 yards allowed over the full season. That would smash the record set by the 2012 Saints, the only team in history to give up more than 7,000 yards. No team that’s allowed even 6,600 yards in a season has ever finished with a winning record.

**loochy** · 10-16-2018, 05:00 AM

BUT DURBURDURR THEY NOT THAT BAD DURRR DURRR
WHEN WE GET BERRY WE TRANSFORM AND BE THE BEST

/fans in denial

At this point, just cut everyone possible and replace them all with vet min scrap heap FAs and buy more O linemen and weapons for the O

Eleazar · 10-16-2018, 05:12 AM

They were almost as bad last year, and homers kept saying none of it mattered because they were middle of the pack in points due to turnovers.

Of course it does matter in the postseason, against teams that finish drives and don't hand you turnovers. You can fatten up all year on the bottom half of the league but it doesn't work in January.

Sutton will still have to be fired before the ardent homers will see that the problem is the personnel, and it's going to take a few years to fix.

InChiefsHeaven · 10-16-2018, 05:39 AM

While I agree that the defense is awful, what does that say about, say, the Patriots? They allowed a rookie (yes I know not exactly a rookie, but close enough) to put up 31 in their house and damn near pull out the win. I think this has a ton to do with many factors, Sutton being just one:

Sutton's scheme
The players are just not that good
Our offense scores quickly and often, makes opposing offenses have to get chunk plays to keep up. NOtice how early in games the defense seems to do at least OK, but once we've gone up a score or two they implode. Not all offenses can do that, but with today's rules leaning toward benefitting offenses, more and more can simply move the ball better. The NFL wants it that way.

Look a the vaunted Jags, "best defense in the NFL". They got raped 2 weeks in a row. I know the Cowboys are good, but they are not as good as the Chiefs, and they put up 40 on the Jags.

UK_Chief · 10-16-2018, 05:51 AM

Bend and occasionally break D

**RealSNR** · 10-16-2018, 05:55 AM

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I understand where you're coming from in terms of yards and points. You're correct that if your team doesn't give up points, it is doing its job, but if you're giving up that many yardage, then that tells me that they're on the field way too long than they should be (depending on the circumstances) and not getting the ball back to the offense sooner than they should.

The Chiefs are 32nd in the NFL in giving up yardage, and if they were in the 15-20 range for points given up, they would be doing their jobs, thus, the definition of mediocre/below average. Unfortunately, that is not the case, because not only they're giving up a lot of yardage, they're also giving up points as well (they're 27th in the NFL in points given up).

It's not good to give up lots of yards. I'm not saying that doesn't matter.

But what's more important? And if you're the NFL, why use yards over points? Because not only do points also matter, I think they're MORE important of a metric when evaluating total team defense.

**loochy** · 10-16-2018, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by UK_Chief

Bend and occasionally break D

bend all the way into the end zone
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saphojunkie · 10-16-2018, 09:02 AM

The stat should be yards that end in points.

Naptown Chief · 10-16-2018, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Why Not?

Relax y'all. Berry is day to day

Rep

gimmieshelter69rs · 10-16-2018, 09:27 AM

2011 pats allowed 6577yards went to sb

gimmieshelter69rs · 10-16-2018, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

It's not good to give up lots of yards. I'm not saying that doesn't matter.

But what's more important? And if you're the NFL, why use yards over points? Because not only do points also matter, I think they're MORE important of a metric when evaluating total team defense.

ppg is the only stat that matters

WhiteWhale · 10-16-2018, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by gimmieshelter69rs

ppg is the only stat that matters

The chiefs have allowed 172 points in 6 games.

Geezus, it's not like KC is 10th in points allowed. They're 27th allowing almost 29 points per game. That's atrocious.

Strongside · 10-16-2018, 09:35 AM

This defense is an all-time great at sucking.

**loochy** · 10-16-2018, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by gimmieshelter69rs

ppg is the only stat that matters

They're shitty at that too. Stop making excuses you homer.
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bobbything · 10-16-2018, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by kcxiv

Worst defense i have ever seen in my 35plus years watching football. they are just bad.

But I keep being told by people here that this isn't anywhere near as bad as the 2003 defense, despite practically every metric pointing to the contrary.

DRM08 · 10-16-2018, 09:40 AM

Dumpster fire defense. Unfortunately I don’t see how they can fix it very quickly. Will take several years to build it.

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Eleazar Beyond the Rapids Join Date: May 2003 Location: Langley, VA Casino cash: $-370000	They were almost as bad last year, and homers kept saying none of it mattered because they were middle of the pack in points due to turnovers. Of course it does matter in the postseason, against teams that finish drives and don't hand you turnovers. You can fatten up all year on the bottom half of the league but it doesn't work in January. Sutton will still have to be fired before the ardent homers will see that the problem is the personnel, and it's going to take a few years to fix.
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InChiefsHeaven Rockin' yer FACE OFF! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Omaha, Nebraska Casino cash: $3894937	While I agree that the defense is awful, what does that say about, say, the Patriots? They allowed a rookie (yes I know not exactly a rookie, but close enough) to put up 31 in their house and damn near pull out the win. I think this has a ton to do with many factors, Sutton being just one: Sutton's scheme The players are just not that good Our offense scores quickly and often, makes opposing offenses have to get chunk plays to keep up. NOtice how early in games the defense seems to do at least OK, but once we've gone up a score or two they implode. Not all offenses can do that, but with today's rules leaning toward benefitting offenses, more and more can simply move the ball better. The NFL wants it that way. Look a the vaunted Jags, "best defense in the NFL". They got raped 2 weeks in a row. I know the Cowboys are good, but they are not as good as the Chiefs, and they put up 40 on the Jags. __________________ We have a million reasons for failure, but not one excuse... Die Donks, DIE!! Holy Crap fellas!!! We did it!!! THREE TIMES!!!
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