Chiefs It has gone beyond embarrassing - Page 15

**petegz28** · 12-09-2012, 03:03 PM

When you lose the way we did against Cleveland you suddenly find yourself staring at 2-11 and being embarrassed would be an improvement. Today we saw in a nutshell the complete and utter stupidity that Pioli has spent the better part of 4 years putting together.

We bitched about this team early in the season, gave up on them mid-way and now actually root for a loss in hopes for a good draft spot. Unfortunately a new QB, regardless of who it is or how high he is drafted, is not going to help this sorry ass compilation of fail and suck.

Think about the mess Pioli has created in just under 4 years that we now have to clean up in a hurry, somehow.

1. No QB's
2. No WR's...Bowe will walk leaving us with nothing worth a ****
3. No LT, I expect Albert to walk from this abortion
4. No DE's, Dorsey will walk and TJ still sucks
5. No punter..Colquitt can walk this year
6. No secondary, save flowers
7. 1 RB worth a shit
8. No Center worth a ****
9. No HC worth a ****
10. No OC worth a ****
11. No DC worth a ****
12. No ST coach worth a ****
13. No kicker worth a ****

So as I see it, we need at least 2 QB's, 2 WR's, a center, 2 DE's, 2 CB's, 1-2 Safetys, a HC, an OC, a DC, a ST coach, a kicker, a punter and of course a new GM

/rant off

**Baby Lee** · 12-10-2012, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

That's no longer true with the current CBA.

No drafting, at any position, will set a team back "years".

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Originally Posted by SNR

Why do busted QBs set a team back so much as opposed to busted 5-tech defensive linemen? In both cases, the draft pick has been pissed away.

It's not a $$ thing, and it's not an 'all busts are the same' thing.

It's a 'trust us, he's showing great things in practice, great strides are just around the corner' PR QBOTF sells tickets thing.

But please, tell us a story about a highly drafted QB who 1) busted, 2) didn't get a career ending injury to shorten his stay, 3) was named the team's starter, and 4) the realization of bust-ness took less than years.

**DeezNutz** · 12-10-2012, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Why do busted QBs set a team back so much as opposed to busted 5-tech defensive linemen? In both cases, the draft pick has been pissed away.

Longer-leash theory. But, as Carolina demonstrated (yeah, yeah, second-rounder), teams go back to the well more quickly in today's game.

Three years isn't necessarily a given for any QB, no matter the draft position.

**DeezNutz** · 12-10-2012, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

It's not a $$ thing, and it's not an 'all busts are the same' thing.

It's a 'trust us, he's showing great things in practice, great strides are just around the corner' PR QBOTF sells tickets thing.

But please, tell us a story about a highly drafted QB who 1) busted, 2) didn't get a career ending injury to shorten his stay, 3) was named the team's starter, and 4) the realization of bust-ness took less than years.

Caroline. Imperfect example because Clausen was a second-rounder.
Perhaps JAX this year. Looks very possible.

htismaqe · 12-10-2012, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

It's not a $$ thing, and it's not an 'all busts are the same' thing.

It's a 'trust us, he's showing great things in practice, great strides are just around the corner' PR QBOTF sells tickets thing.

But please, tell us a story about a highly drafted QB who 1) busted, 2) didn't get a career ending injury to shorten his stay, 3) was named the team's starter, and 4) the realization of bust-ness took less than years.

Jamarcus Russell.

**Baby Lee** · 12-10-2012, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Longer-leash theory. But, as Carolina demonstrated (yeah, yeah, second-rounder), teams go back to the well more quickly in today's game.

Three years isn't necessarily a given for any QB, no matter the draft position.

That wasn't nearly as much a 'we thought Clausen was our future but he clearly isn't now' thing, as it was a 'we get the 1 pick and Cam Newton's there, no brainer' thing.

I don't care if the Chiefs had Aaron Rodgers at QB, if they had the opportunity to draft Luck or RGIII, they better take him/

**Baby Lee** · 12-10-2012, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Jamarcus Russell.

1. It's the Raiders, they're reeruned.
2. He was their starter for 2 full years, and the end of his first.
3. I'd count Purple Drank as a career ending injury.
4. Overall, his selection has set them back more than the duration of him starting, including the desperation driven Palmer trade that did them no favors.

htismaqe · 12-10-2012, 04:36 PM

Let's just pass on a QB then. Heaven forbid that a franchise that hasn't won a playoff game in 2 decades and that is nearing in on two 2-win seasons and two 4-win seasons in 6 years "set themselves back".

**RealSNR** · 12-10-2012, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

It's not a $$ thing, and it's not an 'all busts are the same' thing.

It's a 'trust us, he's showing great things in practice, great strides are just around the corner' PR QBOTF sells tickets thing.

But please, tell us a story about a highly drafted QB who 1) busted, 2) didn't get a career ending injury to shorten his stay, 3) was named the team's starter, and 4) the realization of bust-ness took less than years.

A good bet is Blaine Gabbert. Possibly even Brandon Weeden.

Brady Quinn only took two seasons to bust out. Same with Tim Tebow.

Going back a long time, there's also Cade McNown and Akili Smith, both of whom only got to play for a single season.

|Zach| · 12-10-2012, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Let's just pass on a QB then. Heaven forbid that a franchise that hasn't won a playoff game in 2 decades and that is nearing in on two 2-win seasons and two 4-win seasons in 6 years "set themselves back".

If you are bent out of shape about it then just move on...

right?

htismaqe · 12-10-2012, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach|

If you are bent out of shape about it then just move on...

right?

I'm not bent out of shape about anything.

If they pass on a QB in April, I will move on. That's a promise.

**Baby Lee** · 12-10-2012, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

QB busts, particularly high draft position ones, take years to determine.

A QB bust is the sine qua non of setting the team back years.

And I'm not saying 'don't draft a QB,' I'm saying 'take whatever QB is there for the taking because you really need one and he appears to be one' is reeruned.

EDIT: and htis, I can't see any way for you to disagree with this given your stance on Cousins.

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Let's just pass on a QB then. Heaven forbid that a franchise that hasn't won a playoff game in 2 decades and that is nearing in on two 2-win seasons and two 4-win seasons in 6 years "set themselves back".

OIC, you can't read. It's OK, buck up li'l buddy.

Hypothetical for the sake of curiosity about consistency. If Kirk Cousins was the best QB in the upcoming draft when the Chiefs are on the clock, do you want the Chiefs to take him?

**RealSNR** · 12-10-2012, 04:43 PM

Also, if the risk involved in picking just any ol' QB with a high draft pick boils down to "the team is forced to live with his mistakes for too long," then I don't know what to tell you. Teams need QBs. If they don't draft a guy, then they go the Chiefs route of trading for backups.

Elvis Grbacs, Rich Gannons, and Matt Cassels aren't any safer than rolling the dice on risky QBs in the first round. When they bust, they still require the franchise to give the company line, "Just be patient." The only difference is that when they succeed, they succeed as bullshit game managers, and when they fail they fail just as hard and fast as the QBs that fail spectacularly.

So does it come down to the pricetag, Baby Lee? If you're going to hang yourself, you shouldn't pay too much?

**RealSNR** · 12-10-2012, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

OIC, you can't read. It's OK, buck up li'l buddy.

Hypothetical for the sake of curiosity about consistency. If Kirk Cousins was the best QB in the upcoming draft when the Chiefs are on the clock, do you want the Chiefs to take him?

Yes. I've said that many times. So has htismaqe.

I can't ever recall a QB draft that ****ing horrific, but whatever.

**Baby Lee** · 12-10-2012, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Yes. I've said that many times. So has htismaqe.

I can't ever recall a QB draft that ****ing horrific, but whatever.

Bullshit, htis has said JUST TODAY that Cousins isn't worth later round picks. How the **** can the same person say 'if he's there at #1, 2, 3 overall in the draft and he's the best QB available take him' AND 'he's not worth trading away a 2nd 3rd or 4th round pick because I already know he's worthless and always will be?'

htismaqe · 12-10-2012, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

OIC, you can't read. It's OK, buck up li'l buddy.

Hypothetical for the sake of curiosity about consistency. If Kirk Cousins was the best QB in the upcoming draft when the Chiefs are on the clock, do you want the Chiefs to take him?

Since your hypothetical is impossible, it doesn't require an answer. A player with Kirk Cousins' skill set would never be a first-round pick, let alone a top 5 pick.

See, we're not picking 11. We'll be picking in the top 3. That's where you get your QB.

So take Smith, or Wilson, or Barkley and get it done.

12-09-2012, 03:03 PM
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $2814127	It has gone beyond embarrassing When you lose the way we did against Cleveland you suddenly find yourself staring at 2-11 and being embarrassed would be an improvement. Today we saw in a nutshell the complete and utter stupidity that Pioli has spent the better part of 4 years putting together. We bitched about this team early in the season, gave up on them mid-way and now actually root for a loss in hopes for a good draft spot. Unfortunately a new QB, regardless of who it is or how high he is drafted, is not going to help this sorry ass compilation of fail and suck. Think about the mess Pioli has created in just under 4 years that we now have to clean up in a hurry, somehow. 1. No QB's 2. No WR's...Bowe will walk leaving us with nothing worth a ** 3. No LT, I expect Albert to walk from this abortion 4. No DE's, Dorsey will walk and TJ still sucks 5. No punter..Colquitt can walk this year 6. No secondary, save flowers 7. 1 RB worth a shit 8. No Center worth a 9. No HC worth a 10. No OC worth a 11. No DC worth a 12. No ST coach worth a 13. No kicker worth a ** So as I see it, we need at least 2 QB's, 2 WR's, a center, 2 DE's, 2 CB's, 1-2 Safetys, a HC, an OC, a DC, a ST coach, a kicker, a punter and of course a new GM /rant off
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12-10-2012, 04:36 PM	#217
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $10269900	Let's just pass on a QB then. Heaven forbid that a franchise that hasn't won a playoff game in 2 decades and that is nearing in on two 2-win seasons and two 4-win seasons in 6 years "set themselves back".
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12-10-2012, 04:43 PM	#222
RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $2380208	Also, if the risk involved in picking just any ol' QB with a high draft pick boils down to "the team is forced to live with his mistakes for too long," then I don't know what to tell you. Teams need QBs. If they don't draft a guy, then they go the Chiefs route of trading for backups. Elvis Grbacs, Rich Gannons, and Matt Cassels aren't any safer than rolling the dice on risky QBs in the first round. When they bust, they still require the franchise to give the company line, "Just be patient." The only difference is that when they succeed, they succeed as bullshit game managers, and when they fail they fail just as hard and fast as the QBs that fail spectacularly. So does it come down to the pricetag, Baby Lee? If you're going to hang yourself, you shouldn't pay too much?
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