PFF and Football Outsiders O Line Review - By The Numbers

[Easy 6]

http://chiefswire.usatoday.com/2018/...ffensive-line/

A few surprises here...

No one has ever confused Fisher with Willie Roaf, but his numbers were even worse than I anticipated

Schwartz coming in roughly middle of the pack giving up pressures

Doc Tardif tied for fewest pressure among guards with the Cowboys Zack Martin, you gotta love that Canadian mfer

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Here is where it gets weird, according to their numbers, hang onto your hats... the Chiefs were #1 in power run blocking, huhwha?

[Bewbies]

I'd like to see them do A LOT more zone blocking runs next year. Hunt is a boss when they're doing that.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Bewbies

I'd like to see them do A LOT more zone blocking runs next year. Hunt is a boss when they're doing that.

Are you as surprised as I am to see the numbers they have on Schwartz?

Middle of the pack in pass pro is NOT where I expected to see him at all, it makes me question all of the PFF and company grading systems... yet they turn around and confirm what my eyes have been telling me about Tardif, that he has become top shelf

It also kinda bugs me that they dont have across the league rankings for someone like Fulton, who surely started more than enough games to qualify for that kind of assessment

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

Are you as surprised as I am to see the numbers they have on Schwartz?

Middle of the pack in pass pro is NOT where I expected to see him at all

I said all season that his play had dropped off but most people argued with me.

I saw it, apparently PFF & Football Outsiders saw it but most Chiefs fans nor the Pro Football Writer's saw it as he was named 2nd Team All Pro.

Guys will generally make the Pro Bowl based off of reputation but it's rare to see the Pro Football Writer's think he was better than his performance.

[Sandy Vagina]

Schwartz had a an early season patch of less than decent pass pro games. That's just going off of memory, for me. I remember early on being not so happy with his pass pro. Called him sluggish and lacking movement skill.

He turned that around pretty well. That's just from my memory of it, Easy 6.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I said all season that his play had dropped off but most people argued with me.

I saw it, apparently PFF & Football Outsiders saw it but most Chiefs fans nor the Pro Football Writer's saw it as he was named 2nd Team All Pro.

Guys will generally make the Pro Bowl based off of reputation but it's rare to see the Pro Football Writer's think he was better than his performance.

Originally Posted by Sandy Vagina

Schwartz had a an early season patch of less than decent pass pro games. That's just going off of memory, for me. I remember early on being not so happy with his pass pro. Called him sluggish and lacking movement skill.

He turned that around pretty well. That's just from my memory of it, Easy 6.

Tardif missed what, 3-4 games?

I wonder how much that affected Schwartz' performance.. not that I would argue too much with you, Dane, about Mitch having dropped off, its just hard to figure because its not like he is some geezer

And Sandy, you're right about his early season pass-pro, everyone was talking about it, he was getting beat early and often the first few games

He has never struck me as a big brawling hoss who is aces in all facets, always seen him as a pass pro specialist who is serviceable in the run game

[Sandy Vagina]

nfl.com has LDT down for 11 reg season games.. so missed 4 total... but mostly 5.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Really wish we could move on from Fisher now... was saying during the slump this year that he appeared to regress.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Really wish we could move on from Fisher now... was saying during the slump this year that he appeared to regress.

Move on to whom, though? Fisher didn't seem awful. Just not worthy of his new contract.. draft status.. and certainly not clutch.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by Sandy Vagina

Move on to whom, though? Fisher didn't seem awful. Just not worthy of his new contract.. draft status.. and certainly not clutch.

Never really got into the 'who' part because I knew we were tied to him contractually, but I feel like there's gotta be an upgrade out there, or at least a young guy who could develop into a better player pretty quickly. I don't know if they think Cam serving might be that guy or not based on the trade for him, but I don't see it as of right now.

I guess I'm good with Fisher because I know solid linemen aren't easy to find, but I'll just be glad when we aren't tied down with his contract anymore and can pursue a replacement.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Really wish we could move on from Fisher now... was saying during the slump this year that he appeared to regress.

Yeah we're pretty much stuck with his league average schmaverage ass

Even contract status aside, it seems like there really arent any more Roafs, Ogdens, and Paces out there to be had... oh and that reminds me, you BADLY need a new avatar

Kinda seems like we've all been so upset with interior play, that we're forgetting that our tackles didnt exactly light it up either... Dane is right, Mitch was lackluster this year and we can only hope it doesnt become a trend

But the biggest takeaway from these numbers for me is... how in Gods name did they decide that we were #1 in the power run game?

I've read that piece 3 times and it still makes no ****ing sense at all

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Never really got into the 'who' part because I knew we were tied to him contractually, but I feel like there's gotta be an upgrade out there, or at least a young guy who could develop into a better player pretty quickly. I don't know if they think Cam serving might be that guy or not based on the trade for him, but I don't see it as of right now.

I guess I'm good with Fisher because I know solid linemen aren't easy to find, but I'll just be glad when we aren't tied down with his contract anymore and can pursue a replacement.

Alex is a guy that always needed a good OL, period. That, I'd have never argued over. (good.. not great)

Mahomes feels like a different animal though. He won't need as much rigidly competent OL.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

Yeah we're pretty much stuck with his league average schmaverage ass

Even contract status aside, it seems like there really arent any more Roafs, Ogdens, and Paces out there to be had... oh and that reminds me, you BADLY need a new avatar

Kinda seems like we've all been so upset with interior play, that we're forgetting that our tackles didnt exactly light it up either... Dane is right, Mitch was lackluster this year and we can only hope it doesnt become a trend

But the biggest takeaway from these numbers for me is... how in Gods name did they decide that we were #1 in the power run game?

I've read that piece 3 times and it still makes no ****ing sense at all

Say, what was the score on Witzman??? he was nearing Mike McGlynn epic fail territory, imho.... ?

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

Yeah we're pretty much stuck with his league average schmaverage ass

Even contract status aside, it seems like there really arent any more Roafs, Ogdens, and Paces out there to be had... oh and that reminds me, you BADLY need a new avatar

Kinda seems like we've all been so upset with interior play, that we're forgetting that our tackles didnt exactly light it up either... Dane is right, Mitch was lackluster this year and we can only hope it doesnt become a trend

But the biggest takeaway from these numbers for me is... how in Gods name did they decide that we were #1 in the power run game?

I've read that piece 3 times and it still makes no ****ing sense at all

The Chiefs run a bunch of pull and trap combos that probably qualify as power runs under their criteria, and they are actually very good at them typically. Part of that is the unique schemes they do, as they sometimes pull tackles inside and trap down with guards to let the center get outside and kick out. I can see how it's possible, especially with the rookie stud running the rock.

I think Schwartz was the best RT in football for the last 5-6 weeks. He had a rough patch in the middle, much like the team, but he was borderline perfect that last month or so.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Sandy Vagina

Say, what was the score on Witzman??? he was nearing Mike McGlynn epic fail territory, imho.... ?

They didnt rank him, likely because he didnt take enough snaps to qualify... pretty sure Fulton did though, and that kinda hairlips me

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

The Chiefs run a bunch of pull and trap combos that probably qualify as power runs under their criteria, and they are actually very good at them typically. Part of that is the unique schemes they do, as they sometimes pull tackles inside and trap down with guards to let the center get outside and kick out. I can see how it's possible, especially with the rookie stud running the rock.

I think Schwartz was the best RT in football for the last 5-6 weeks. He had a rough patch in the middle, much like the team, but he was borderline perfect that last month or so.

All of the scheming and its execution surely factors in, but I'd rather they talk about actual production on 3rd and short, and goal to go situations... the eyes say we consistently get blown off the ball and badly stuffed in short yardage

Mitch really did finish strong though, cant complain about that... he rounded back into form