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Old 01-24-2010, 05:34 PM   #1
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We can argue anything but the fact remains the 49ers of the 80s and into the 90s were far and away the best team in the league.
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Old 01-24-2010, 05:36 PM   #2
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We can argue anything but the fact remains the 49ers of the 80s and into the 90s were far and away the best team in the league.
And the Giants, Bears and Cowboys were far and away better, more balanced teams than any that these QBs today have had to face.
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Old 01-24-2010, 06:25 PM   #3
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We can argue anything but the fact remains the 49ers of the 80s and into the 90s were far and away the best team in the league.
No Salary Cap = Stacked teams with great players.

You will see this kind of shit again if we don't get an agreement in place in the next few years.

He made the Chiefs just good enough to be BETTER but had we had more great players I have no doubt he could have taken us to a SB -Marty

Redskins in the 1st Joe Gibbs era had better reserve linemen than most teams 1st stringers.
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Old 01-24-2010, 05:35 PM   #4
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Steve Young should be on any list like that, he was awesome.
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Old 01-24-2010, 05:38 PM   #5
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Steve Young should be on any list like that, he was awesome.
He was, but gets dinged for (not his fault) being a backup so long, thus having basically a shorter real career.
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Old 01-24-2010, 05:41 PM   #6
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He was, but gets dinged for (not his fault) being a backup so long, thus having basically a shorter real career.
and nobody counts USFL or CFL time/stats either. or else Warren Moon and Jim Kelly would be rated higher.
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Old 01-24-2010, 05:44 PM   #7
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....and nothing that Peyton Manning does will ever change that.
Had I posted this, the milkman would be one of the first ones to come out with phrases like "You are a reerun," or such. Very interesting.

I'm a Montana fan too. But let's face it NOTHING that Peyton Manning does will ever make him surpass Montana?
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Old 01-24-2010, 05:45 PM   #8
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If Manning can keep this up and win 3 or more SBs, then we can talk about him being the GOAT.
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Old 01-24-2010, 05:47 PM   #9
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If Manning can keep this up and win 3 or more SBs, then we can talk about him being the GOAT.
I agree he needs to win a total of 3 to be GOAT. But it's unreal to me that he's not already viewed as better than Brady. Just because of the rings? By that logic Peyton is no better than Trent Dilfer.
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Old 01-24-2010, 05:49 PM   #10
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I agree he needs to win a total of 3 to be GOAT. But it's unreal to me that he's not already viewed as better than Brady. Just because of the rings? By that logic Peyton is no better than Trent Dilfer.
It is simply due to his past failures in the post-season. Period.
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Old 01-24-2010, 05:51 PM   #11
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It is simply due to his past failures in the post-season. Period.
If he was doing that now, I'd be with you. But a lot of guys choked in big games early in their career. Elway being at the top of the list. Way to go. 97 yards two times to beat the same team to go the Super Bowl. How'd he do once he got there? I'm not going to hold the first 5 years of his career against him almost 10 years later. Brady could never do the things Peyton is doing right now. Ever.
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If he was doing that now, I'd be with you. But a lot of guys choked in big games early in their career. Elway being at the top of the list. Way to go. 97 yards two times to beat the same team to go the Super Bowl. How'd he do once he got there? I'm not going to hold the first 5 years of his career against him almost 10 years later. Brady could never do the things Peyton is doing right now. Ever.
Are you sure? Brady has the record for TD passes in a season with 50. Whose record of 48 did he break?
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I agree he needs to win a total of 3 to be GOAT. But it's unreal to me that he's not already viewed as better than Brady. Just because of the rings? By that logic Peyton is no better than Trent Dilfer.
This. Although I'd say if he gets his second this year, I'd start the argument. A 3rd and IMO there shouldn't be an argument.
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This. Although I'd say if he gets his second this year, I'd start the argument. A 3rd and IMO there shouldn't be an argument.
I think if he wins this year, he passes Elway. He wins another and then you start the Montana talk. He wins a 4th, and it's a done deal.
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Old 01-24-2010, 10:08 PM   #15
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I think if he wins this year, he passes Elway. He wins another and then you start the Montana talk. He wins a 4th, and it's a done deal.
Exactly right.

Right now the top 3 is Montana, Elway and Manning. I cannot fathom anyone arguing that Brady is better than Manning, it's just mind-boggling. If Manning wins a 2nd, he's right alongside Elway (needing only longetivity to surpass him, IMO).



My list:

1. Joe Montana (steady stream of injuries bothers me though)
2. John Elway (though I'll listen to an argument that puts him at 1 due to durability)
3. Peyton Manning
4. Bart Starr
5. Brett Favre
6. Dan Marino
7. Johnny Unitas
8. Roger Staubach
9. Steve Young
10. Tom Brady

And no, Bradshaw doesn't make my list for precisely the reason listed above -- he won SBs in an era where his team was simply better than everyone elses. He's #11 on there, but any one of the QBs above him would've won those 4 SBs with the team he was on.
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