Chiefs A CASE FOR THE DEFENSE - Page 2

UChieffyBugger · 08-19-2018, 05:56 PM

During this offseason and the preseason games, folks have been going mad about the defense and I think it's time to lay the facts on the table and have a serious discussion about it.

Last season our defense consisted of.

Revis
Peters
Gaines
Mitchell
Revis
Nelson
Acker

Sorensen
Parker
Murray
Berry (for one game)

Ford (for a few games)
Houston
Zombo
Kpass
Hali

Ragland
Johnson
KPL
Wilson
Smith

Jones
Bailey
Logan
Jenkins
RNR

And these were the points we conceded

Pats= 27

Philly= 20

Chargers= 10

Skins= 20

Texans= 34

Pitt= 19

Raiders= 31

Denver= 19

Cowboys= 28

Giants= 12

Bills= 16

Jets= 38

Raiders= 15

Chargers= 13

Miami= 13

Denver= 24

Titans= 22

So let's do the maths. Out of seventeen games, we only allowed more than 25 points five times. We also kept teams under twenty points eight times, which is nearly half the total amount of games we played. There were some horror shows, no doubt, but I think when you look at that roster and see how many guys were either not good enough (Gaines, Sorensen, Mitchell, RNR, Acker etc), or simply too old and fading (Johnson, Revis, Zombo, Hali and so forth), then I think the defense probably done themselves justice in the end.

And let's be honest guys, would anyone swap our current list of players for the ones we had last year? I certainly wouldn't. It's not perfect by any means, but it's younger, fresher, faster and I have a great belief that fans will be pleasantly surprised by what they produce this season.

TEX · 08-19-2018, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Best22

Lost Peters, added Berry

Berry has not played yet and we dont know how well he can when he does play.

O.city · 08-19-2018, 07:13 PM

If Andy was ok trading Peters (and he obviously was or they wouldn’t have) it had to have been pretty toxic. It is what it is

TEX · 08-19-2018, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

Here’s my case:

We’ve been missing almost half the starters.

I hear ya, but that is a concern b/c they are not healthy and many have a history of that. So the case can be made that we have a bunch of injury prone players who cant be counted on. We also have plenty of JAGS. Not a good combo for success.

Best22 · 08-19-2018, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX

Berry has not played yet and we dont know how well he can when he does play.

When it comes down to it, turnovers are important, but not as much as stops

The 2003 Chiefs intercepted more passes than any of Reid's KC teams.

You have to force punts. Turnovers are secondary

UChieffyBugger · 08-19-2018, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TLO

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cwhocares · 08-19-2018, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

If Andy was ok trading Peters (and he obviously was or they wouldn’t have) it had to have been pretty toxic. It is what it is

I'm pretty sure Reid was told to trade Peters. (We'll never know) With a talent like that, you put up with a lot of crap from them and try to make it work. Short of Berry, we don't have anyone in Peters skill range.

UChieffyBugger · 08-19-2018, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Best22

When it comes down to it, turnovers are important, but not as much as stops

The 2003 Chiefs intercepted more passes than any of Reid's KC teams.

You have to force punts. Turnovers are secondary

As far as turnovers are concerned I actually think Fuller and Watts have the potential to do exactly what Marcus did for us. Watts was a turner machine in college and Fuller had four turnovers last season.

**TrebMaxx** · 08-19-2018, 07:46 PM

I will wait until all of the pieces are in place. We haven't seen yet what will be out on the field on opening day.

**MahiMike** · 08-19-2018, 07:58 PM

I saw some guys really hustling out there. Too much sometimes...48 especially. Dude kept flying past the runner. Also, not very disciplined. On the one TD, they were running toward the ball except staying in their positions.

**mlyonsd** · 08-19-2018, 08:07 PM

To date our pass rush sucks. If that happens an average or sub-par secondary is exposed pretty easily. It's only pre-season but sutton's history of really sucking at his job worries me.

NJChiefsFan · 08-19-2018, 08:10 PM

Case dismissed.

NJChiefsFan · 08-19-2018, 08:20 PM

Joking aside though the talent is better overall. Just not sure it's enough. Wouldn't be shocked if we got to mid pack but that's with a ton of players reaching their potential.

UChieffyBugger · 08-19-2018, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

Joking aside though the talent is better overall. Just not sure it's enough. Wouldn't be shocked if we got to mid pack but that's with a ton of players reaching their potential.

Wouldn't mid-pack and a good offense bode well for the season? I think it would

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JoeyChuckles · 08-19-2018, 09:15 PM

We will be a bottom 5 defense by the time this season is over.

It's all on Sutton for me. But our Superbowl window doesn't open for 1-2 more years, so whatever it takes to get Sutton out of here.

T-post Tom · 08-19-2018, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mlyonsd

...It's only pre-season but sutton's history of really sucking at his job worries me.

Can't post this enough as it exemplifies the shortcomings of Sutton's defensive play calling:

Houston rushed the quarterback on 77 percent of his pass plays last season, when he had 9.5 sacks. His career percentage is 72 percent. As comparisons, Denver's Von Miller rushed the passer 93.3 percent of the time last season and 82.5 percent in his career. Oakland's Khalil Mack went after the QB 95.1 percent of the snaps last season and 89.3 percent of the time in his career.

http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/277932/chiefs-plan-for-justin-houston-to-rekindle-his-22-sack-season

08-19-2018, 05:56 PM
UChieffyBugger CP'S "MOST HATED" 😆 Join Date: Feb 2018 Casino cash: $2630400	A CASE FOR THE DEFENSE During this offseason and the preseason games, folks have been going mad about the defense and I think it's time to lay the facts on the table and have a serious discussion about it. Last season our defense consisted of. Revis Peters Gaines Mitchell Revis Nelson Acker Sorensen Parker Murray Berry (for one game) Ford (for a few games) Houston Zombo Kpass Hali Ragland Johnson KPL Wilson Smith Jones Bailey Logan Jenkins RNR And these were the points we conceded Pats= 27 Philly= 20 Chargers= 10 Skins= 20 Texans= 34 Pitt= 19 Raiders= 31 Denver= 19 Cowboys= 28 Giants= 12 Bills= 16 Jets= 38 Raiders= 15 Chargers= 13 Miami= 13 Denver= 24 Titans= 22 So let's do the maths. Out of seventeen games, we only allowed more than 25 points five times. We also kept teams under twenty points eight times, which is nearly half the total amount of games we played. There were some horror shows, no doubt, but I think when you look at that roster and see how many guys were either not good enough (Gaines, Sorensen, Mitchell, RNR, Acker etc), or simply too old and fading (Johnson, Revis, Zombo, Hali and so forth), then I think the defense probably done themselves justice in the end. And let's be honest guys, would anyone swap our current list of players for the ones we had last year? I certainly wouldn't. It's not perfect by any means, but it's younger, fresher, faster and I have a great belief that fans will be pleasantly surprised by what they produce this season.
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mlyonsd Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Spink, SD Casino cash: $1683762	To date our pass rush sucks. If that happens an average or sub-par secondary is exposed pretty easily. It's only pre-season but sutton's history of really sucking at his job worries me.
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NJChiefsFan I've Made a Huge Mistake Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: NJ Casino cash: $5760423	Joking aside though the talent is better overall. Just not sure it's enough. Wouldn't be shocked if we got to mid pack but that's with a ton of players reaching their potential.
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JoeyChuckles Bring It Home Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: North Haverbrook Casino cash: $10007012	We will be a bottom 5 defense by the time this season is over. It's all on Sutton for me. But our Superbowl window doesn't open for 1-2 more years, so whatever it takes to get Sutton out of here.
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