"Oh... it's broke. It's broke."

[Dante84]

- Derek Carr (lip-reading)

[NWTF]

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

Love how you try to compare kc and Oakland on how they both beat Denver instead of comparing how kc and Oakland played against, you know, each other....

"Oh hey you beat me in a race twice? Well you barely beat Todd and I beat him by 10 feet so you suck!"

I think hes trying to say Oakland might match up better against Denver then the Chiefs do against Denver. Based on that first game and the way Oakland can run the ball. Oaklands size on oline is a mismatch for the Bronco Dline. Thats not to say the Chiefs cant advance out of the 5 seed and go into Oakland and beat them again. They probably would. Houston and Oakland look to be favorable match ups for the Chiefs to make the AFCCG if it plays out like that. Oaklands most likely a one and done now, especially if they get the Chiefs in that game. Chiefs were a bad match up for them WITH Carr.

Im just not sold that Oakland cant beat Denver without Carr, the way they can manhandle the Broncos with the running game.

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by NWTF

I think hes trying to say Oakland might match up better against Denver then the Chiefs do against Denver. Based on that first game and the way Oakland can run the ball. Oaklands size on oline is a mismatch for the Bronco Dline. Thats not to say the Chiefs cant advance out of the 5 seed and go into Oakland and beat them again. They probably would. Houston and Oakland look to be favorable match ups for the Chiefs to make the AFCCG if it plays out like that. Oaklands most likely a one and done now, especially if they get the Chiefs in that game. Chiefs were a bad match up for them WITH Carr.

Im just not sold that Oakland cant beat Denver without Carr, the way they can manhandle the Broncos with the running game.

Denver on paper is what kc should want. They don't run well and don't stop the run well which negates our two weaknesses.

[NWTF]

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

Denver on paper is what kc should want. They don't run well and don't stop the run well which negates our two weaknesses.

I agree. If you can run the ball effectively on them all their strengths on D are negated. They may be the best passing D in football, but if you dont have to pass or pass when its in your favor that D isnt very good. And on O they arent good at anything.

If the Chiefs can execute a running game plan they will win comfortably. I think they win regardless as Denvers O sucks.

[carcosa]

McGloin = McGOD????

[RINGLEADER]

Honestly, I don't know that you're going to see as big a drop-off as you might expect because Carr benefits from a great line and great receivers. There will be some timing and other issues that only establish themselves with time, but I still think Carr's stats have more to do with his O-Line and receivers then Carr and fully expect McGloin to benefit in the same way.

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic

The Chiefs are damn lucky to be where they are. Most teams wouldn't be able to recover from the injuries we've had and keep winning. In the end I still think we're to injury riddled and Alex isn't good enough to get this team past NE. But at least it won't be the cocksucking Raiders!

Generally agree with this, but I also think Andy Reid is a good coach who doesn't have the killer instinct you need to put teams away.

But we're missing half our defensive starters, no denying they've played pretty good with the back-ups.

[cmdrzman]

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

Honestly, I don't know that you're going to see as big a drop-off as you might expect because Carr benefits from a great line and great receivers. There will be some timing and other issues that only establish themselves with time, but I still think Carr's stats have more to do with his O-Line and receivers then Carr and fully expect McGloin to benefit in the same way.

Didnt Carr put up similar numbers 2 years ago when his OL was bad and his WR's back then arent even playing in the NFL anymore?. That McGloin dude looks pretty good to me from what I've seen. And he had some bad WR's. I think he's gonna step in and keep that offense humming. People will then say that because he's doing good Carr must not be that good and it's all because of their OL etc ... that wont be true, what might be true is that both Carr and McGloin are two pretty good QB's. To be honest I'm hoping McGloin goes off.. It'll be funny that other teams get to use the Raiders to showcase McGloin, he's a UFA after this year. And I'm dead serious when I say he's a guy we should seriously look at him. Alex Smith is ass and will never take us to a SB and win it.

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by cmdrzman

Didnt Carr put up similar numbers 2 years ago when his OL was bad and his WR's back then arent even playing in the NFL anymore?. That McGloin dude looks pretty good to me from what I've seen. And he had some bad WR's. I think he's gonna step in and keep that offense humming. People will then say that because he's doing good Carr must not be that good and it's all because of their OL etc ... that wont be true, what might be true is that both Carr and McGloin are two pretty good QB's. To be honest I'm hoping McGloin goes off.. It'll be funny that other teams get to use the Raiders to showcase McGloin, he's a UFA after this year. And I'm dead serious when I say he's a guy we should seriously look at him. Alex Smith is ass and will never take us to a SB and win it.

I think Carr > McGloin based on what I've seen of both but I still think Carr benefits tremendously from the line/receivers which is something that will (mostly) translate and inure to McGloin's benefit.

To your questions...

Carr in 2014: 348 of 599 (58.1%) for 3,270 yards (5.46 ypa) 21TDs 12 INTs 4 FUM - 24 sacks - 43.4 QBR - 76.6 Passer Rating

He was a rookie, of course, so he should be better, but he is considerably better with this OL and WRs - notably in the sacks and YPA stats.

McGloin in 2013: 118 of 211 (55.9%) for 1,547 yards (7.33 ypa) 8TDs 8 INTs 2 FUM - 6 sacks - 54.4 QBR - 76.1 Passer Rating

The one time the Chiefs faced McGloin as a starter in 2013 it was the Jamaal Charles 5TD game where KC scored the most points ever against a Raiders team, winning 56-31. They didn't record any sacks but had 4 INTs of McGloin (half his total for that season).

[O.city]

Carr carried that team all year. It's a 4 or 5 win team without him. He's ****ing good.

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by O.city

Carr carried that team all year. It's a 4 or 5 win team without him. He's ****ing good.

He does make phenomenal throws (like the one along the sideline to Crabtree yesterday) occasionally, but he also misses wide-open receivers and benefits tremendously from the pieces around him. Even Alex would throw for 4,000 yards with that line/receivers.

[KChiefs1]

Originally Posted by NWTF

I agree. If you can run the ball effectively on them all their strengths on D are negated. They may be the best passing D in football, but if you dont have to pass or pass when its in your favor that D isnt very good. And on O they arent good at anything.



If the Chiefs can execute a running game plan they will win comfortably. I think they win regardless as Denvers O sucks.

I'd like to see Tyreek get 3-4 carries to see what he can do too.




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[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by KChiefs1

I'd like to see Tyreek get 3-4 carries to see what he can do too.

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Reid has only promised that he'll get more than last week, so his ceiling may be as low as 2, since he only touched it once last week.

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[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by Dagnabit

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Well if McGloin plays his cards right he'll have a decent post-season and translate it into a $70 million payday like Osweiler did. He'll also promptly go back to being average wherever he lands with a normal O-Line and WRs.

[Opoponax]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I broke a leg roller skating. Fibula, same one as Carr. I never knew there was some risk of permanent damage.

You mean they didn't have to amputate? Wow, according to the internet, by now Carr should have had his leg hacked off with a rusty tree saw while biting down on a towel after a shot of whiskey.

At least that's what some people are saying. Smart people.