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Old 08-30-2017, 06:28 AM  
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Old 08-30-2017, 09:12 AM   #61
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All y'all pimping his PFF grades:

I am typically totally on board with PFF, but this is definitely one instance in which context is extremely important.

Haden had six picks as a rookie. He then became the only threat on that defense. Teams could easily just throw elsewhere – and they'll only throw to Haden's side of the ball in high-percentage situations, where a completion is likely due to coverage/scheme/route combinations, which leads to the high completion percentage you see in his PFF grades.

The other major contributing factor: pass rush. The pass rush in nonexistent in CLE. It just is. Give any NFL receiver enough time to get open and they'll do it – I don't care who they are. Haden and co. can't be expected to play shutdown football at the CB position without a pass rush.

Bottom line: The dude played for the Cleveland Browns. Put Richard Sherman, Marcus Peters, or any other top-tier NFL cornerback in that situation...and don't be shocked when they put up very similar numbers to Haden. He's a victim of circumstance, and we'd be a much better team with him on our defense.

EDIT: And YES, I have watched his play over the last several seasons, I'm not just basing this assessment off of assumption. The bulk of my family is from NE Ohio, so the Browns are typically, and unfortunately, a household staple.
Thank you for your service. This post makes more sense than any PFF stats posted in this thread so far.
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Old 08-30-2017, 09:12 AM   #62
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Ok, so maybe he's not better than Mitchell...but what about Gaines? Hopefully he actually tries to defend passes instead of staring off into the backfield like a ding dong.
Gaines is so bad, so often. So far he's shown just enough potential to not get cut.
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They obviously have doubts about Mitchell it seems so we shall see
Based on what?
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Old 08-30-2017, 09:14 AM   #65
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And if you don't believe that peripheral defense isn't damn important to the CB position, just look at Revis' numbers on teams that have a pass rush, and teams that don't. They're night and day.

Show me just about any top CB in the league, and I'll show you either a solid pass rush, or complimentary pieces in the surrounding defense that allow his play to remain at a certain level.
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Based on what?
Based on reports that the Chiefs and Saints are the teams showing the most interest in Haden. I believe it was Shefter and one other reporter saying it.
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Based on reports that the Chiefs and Saints are the teams showing the most interest in Haden. I believe it was Shefter and one other reporter saying it.
No it said "expected". He was honestly speculative.
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I'd be fine if they brought him in. Mitchell is a good CB but his health is a question at this point (haven't heard shit about it) and Gaines is always one play away from being out for multiple games.
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Based on reports that the Chiefs and Saints are the teams showing the most interest in Haden. I believe it was Shefter and one other reporter saying it.



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There's absolutely NOTHING referencing the Chiefs lack of faith in Terrance Mitchell.

Good ****ing god, people.
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There's absolutely NOTHING referencing the Chiefs lack of faith in Terrance Mitchell.

Good ****ing god, people.
If they are showing interest in Haden then it indicates that they think Mitchell might not be healthy in time for the regular season.
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If they are showing interest in Haden then it indicates that they think Mitchell might not be healthy in time for the regular season.
JFC man can you read?
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