Talking Draft Prospects

Direckshun · 08:24 PM

We've got perhaps the biggest, most consequential draft coming up for this franchise since 2008. The Chiefs have all seven of their picks, and will certainly be picking up an additional four in compensatory picks, one of which is assuredly a 3rd rounder.

As a result, it's important to familiarize ourselves with as much of this draft class as possible. I started a thread last offseason that discussed late rounders that was generally well liked and spurred tons of great conversation on all sorts of draft picks we normally wouldn't talk about, so I'm going to duplicate that idea this year, only discussing all talents, rather than just the mid- and lower-round ones.

The OP will be continually updated to show the talent I'm reviewing by position. Keep in mind as I list these players that I am generally listing their round projections, but it is not a strict big board, as I likely won't have a big board put together until May.

Spoiler!

Direckshun · 09-24-2014, 02:25 AM

Let's start out with the obvious one:

QB Marcus Mariota, Oregon -- Football Outsiders' own football Bible summarizes the chances of an early round QB panning out thusly: the more games they've started, and the higher their career completion percentage, the better chance they're going to work out. By this measure alone, Mariota's almost certainly the best prospect we've seen in this league since Andrew Luck, and he's probably on par with RG3 as the fourth-best QB prospect we've seen in the last ten years (behind, in order: Luck, Eli, and Stafford). But the tape is what really elevates Mariota: he is truly a QB of the league's future. As more and more teams ape Chip Kelly's hurry up offense, Mariota comes tailor-made for that system. His decision making is precise and quick, his release is fast. He's super athletic (I'm guessing a 40 in the low 4.5s), and he's built sturdy at 6'4", 218 lbs. His arm can make any throw, and is always accurate. The comparison you'll hear all draft season is Colin Kaepernick, but even that sells Mariota short, as Mariota's ability to read defenses gives him a higher ceiling. He will be the #1 overall selection.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 09-25-2014, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Let's start out with the obvious one:

QB Marcus Mariota, Oregon -- Football Outsiders' own football Bible summarizes the chances of an early round QB panning out thusly: the more games they've started, and the higher their career completion percentage, the better chance they're going to work out. By this measure alone, Mariota's almost certainly the best prospect we've seen in this league since Andrew Luck, and he's probably on par with RG3 as the fourth-best QB prospect we've seen in the last ten years (behind, in order: Luck, Eli, and Stafford). But the tape is what really elevates Mariota: he is truly a QB of the league's future. As more and more teams ape Chip Kelly's hurry up offense, Mariota comes tailor-made for that system. His decision making is precise and quick, his release is fast. He's super athletic (I'm guessing a 40 in the low 4.5s), and he's built sturdy at 6'4", 218 lbs. His arm can make any throw, and is always accurate. The comparison you'll hear all draft season is Colin Kaepernick, but even that sells Mariota short, as Mariota's ability to read defenses gives him a higher ceiling. He will be the #1 overall selection.

Yes, please.

Halfcan · 10-21-2014, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Let's start out with the obvious one:

QB Marcus Mariota, Oregon -- Football Outsiders' own football Bible summarizes the chances of an early round QB panning out thusly: the more games they've started, and the higher their career completion percentage, the better chance they're going to work out. By this measure alone, Mariota's almost certainly the best prospect we've seen in this league since Andrew Luck, and he's probably on par with RG3 as the fourth-best QB prospect we've seen in the last ten years (behind, in order: Luck, Eli, and Stafford). But the tape is what really elevates Mariota: he is truly a QB of the league's future. As more and more teams ape Chip Kelly's hurry up offense, Mariota comes tailor-made for that system. His decision making is precise and quick, his release is fast. He's super athletic (I'm guessing a 40 in the low 4.5s), and he's built sturdy at 6'4", 218 lbs. His arm can make any throw, and is always accurate. The comparison you'll hear all draft season is Colin Kaepernick, but even that sells Mariota short, as Mariota's ability to read defenses gives him a higher ceiling. He will be the #1 overall selection.

Trade entire draft for this kid and fill in the team needs through Free Agency.

Sound crazy-yes it does- but looking back, would you have done it for Luck or Peyton? The kid will be a star. Yes that plan failed with RG3-but Mariota has a much higher ceiling. He is the only one in the draft that changes this teams destiny for the next 15 years. It will Never happen-but fun to dream.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 10-21-2014, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

Trade entire draft for this kid and fill in the team needs through Free Agency.

Sound crazy-yes it does- but looking back, would you have done it for Luck or Peyton? The kid will be a star. Yes that plan failed with RG3-but Mariota has a much higher ceiling. He is the only one in the draft that changes this teams destiny for the next 15 years. It will Never happen-but fun to dream.

I agree( of course ), but our commitment to "7/9 and hope for the best" will put us too far out.

Welcome to sweet, sweet Purgatory, where the only Groundhog Day Chiefs fans get is linemen. LOTS of linemen.

Halfcan · 10-22-2014, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 505 Chief

I agree( of course ), but our commitment to "7/9 and hope for the best" will put us too far out.

Welcome to sweet, sweet Purgatory, where the only Groundhog Day Chiefs fans get is linemen. LOTS of linemen.

Great movie. Being a Chiefs fan is kinda like that-we have seen this season so many times before. When we get the number one-we draft Fisher-lol

That is going to hurt for many years.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 10-22-2014, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

Great movie. Being a Chiefs fan is kinda like that-we have seen this season so many times before. When we get the number one-we draft Fisher-lol

That is going to hurt for many years.

All I know is this:

If the Chiefs keep treating the QB position like "kicker" in the ****ing draft; they will go absolutely nowhere in life.

But, most people outside of CP are happy with "good football". Just be competitive, don't be a complete embarrassment, and try to squeeeeeeze in to the play offs any way you can.( Back that ass up Herm-style, it's okay!)

And then they set great, life-altering benchmarks like, "JUUUUHST WIN A PLAAAAYOFF GAAAAAAAAME, MAN"!

fmr with that shit.

I hope the Royals win the series. Kansas City sports culture desperately needs a "winning attitude"-enema.

bspence · 09-24-2014, 02:57 AM

Love Mariota. Watching his film, he may not necessarily be forced to make NFL reads, he can definitely make the NFL throws. I'm not sure he has the ceiling Kaepernick does because he doesn't possess the same arm strength, I would say he's a safer bet to end up as an upper echelon QB year in and year out. I don't see him as being as frustratingly inconsistent as Kaep.

OldSchool · 09-24-2014, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by bspence

Love Mariota. Watching his film, he may not necessarily be forced to make NFL reads, he can definitely make the NFL throws. I'm not sure he has the ceiling Kaepernick does because he doesn't possess the same arm strength, I would say he's a safer bet to end up as an upper echelon QB year in and year out. I don't see him as being as frustratingly inconsistent as Kaep.

His arm strength is more than adequate and he already has a superior feel in the passing game from the pocket that Kaepernick still lacks even though he's turning 27 this year. Mariota is a much better QB prospect than Kaepernick. Saying Kaepernick's ceiling is high because of his arm strength is like saying that Jamarcus Russell has a high ceiling.

All of the athleticism with a much better mind and feel for the position.

bspence · 09-25-2014, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

His arm strength is more than adequate and he already has a superior feel in the passing game from the pocket that Kaepernick still lacks even though he's turning 27 this year. Mariota is a much better QB prospect than Kaepernick. Saying Kaepernick's ceiling is high because of his arm strength is like saying that Jamarcus Russell has a high ceiling.

All of the athleticism with a much better mind and feel for the position.

I wasn't saying his ceiling was higher solely because of the arm strength. But Kaepernick has all the tools to be the best QB in the NFL. It'll likely never happen but he has the tools. And I am also not saying Mariota isn't a better prospect because he clearly is. He has the arm strength, I was simply saying I don't think he has the same ceiling as Kaep.

If I had to bet though, Mariota will be better than Kaepernick.

Direckshun · 09-24-2014, 09:59 AM

DE/DT Leonard Williams, USC -- Williams is listed at 6'4", 300 lbs, but he sure looks like he's 280 lbs. He carries a lot of weight in his frame, and as far as I know may even have room for more muscle. As it is, Williams does one thing, and he does it brilliantly: he shoots gaps. If you run a 1-gap defense, he is going to explode in your scheme. The more gap-shooting you do, the better he'll be. He's got a series of passrush moves, he's extremely fast off the ball, and he gets into the backfield in a hurry. His athleticism pops off the screen for a 300 lber; he honestly looks like he runs a 4.7. And while it's not his forte, Williams already has the look of a guy who can two-gap well, also, but he'll need some work there. Even though he hits very, very hard, I fear he has some slight motor issues -- he has all the talent of a Gerald McCoy, but lacks the general non-stop nastiness. I think his best fit is as a 3-tech in a hyper-aggressive 4-3, and if it weren't for occasional motor issues, I'd have him as a top five player. As of now, I'll keep him in the Top 15.

mszymko · 09-24-2014, 05:45 PM

Lot's of talk about cutting Hali for cap space next year, any chance we could trade him instead? Thinking Hali might be worth a second round pick? ...would be great to get an additional 2nd & 3rd rounder.

So far I'm for Amari Cooper in the first and as much OL & DB help we can get.

Shox · 12-30-2014, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mszymko

So far I'm for Amari Cooper in the first and as much OL & DB help we can get.

It would be wonderful to get a top 10 pick at 18 or 19. Not going to happen without trading up.

Direckshun · 09-24-2014, 06:02 PM

Teams have historically had trouble trading players who are likely cap casualties.

It's entirely possible. I've repeatedly said the Falcons would give their left nut for him.

mszymko · 09-24-2014, 06:11 PM

We could franchise him then trade him.

09-24-2014, 02:22 AM	Topic Starter
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4353447	Talking Draft Prospects We've got perhaps the biggest, most consequential draft coming up for this franchise since 2008. The Chiefs have all seven of their picks, and will certainly be picking up an additional four in compensatory picks, one of which is assuredly a 3rd rounder. As a result, it's important to familiarize ourselves with as much of this draft class as possible. I started a thread last offseason that discussed late rounders that was generally well liked and spurred tons of great conversation on all sorts of draft picks we normally wouldn't talk about, so I'm going to duplicate that idea this year, only discussing all talents, rather than just the mid- and lower-round ones. The OP will be continually updated to show the talent I'm reviewing by position. Keep in mind as I list these players that I am generally listing their round projections, but it is not a strict big board, as I likely won't have a big board put together until May. Spoiler! QB Marcus Mariota, Oregon Jameis Winston, Florida State Brett Hundley, UCLA Connor Cook, Michigan State RB Todd Gurley, Georgia Melvin Gordon, Wisconsin Ameer Abdullah, Nebraska Mike Davis, South Carolina T.J. Yeldon, Alabama Tevin Coleman, Indiana Duke Johnson, Miami Jay Ajayi, Boise State FB WR Sammie Coates, Auburn Amari Cooper, Alabama Dorial Green-Beckham, Oklahoma Ty Montgomery, Stanford Kevin White, West Virginia DeVante Parker, Louisville Jaelen Strong, Arizona State Josh Harper, Fresno State Breshad Perriman, Central Florida Devin Smith, Ohio State Rashad Greene, Florida State TE Devin Funchess, Michigan Maxx Williams, Minnesota OT Cedric Ogbuehi, Texas A&M Brandon Schwerff, Iowa Andrus Peat, Stanford La'el Collins, LSU Spencer Drango, Baylor Ereck Flowers, Miami Cameron Erving, Florida State T.J. Clemmings, Pittsburgh Ronnie Stanley, Notre Dame Ty Sambrailo, Colorado State Jake Fisher, Oregon OG La'el Collins, LSU A.J. McCann, South Carolina Cameron Erving, Florida State Ty Sambrailo, Colorado State Josue Matias, Florida State Laken Tomlinson, Duke C Cameron Erving, Florida State Reese Dismukes, Auburn NT Danny Shelton, Washington Eddie Goldman, Florida State Malcom Brown, Texas Jordan Phillips, Oklahoma 4-3 DT and/or 3-4 DE Leonard Williams, USC Michael Bennett, Ohio State Mario Edwards, Jr., Florida State Malcom Brown, Texas Arik Armstead, Oregon Carl Davis, Iowa 4-3 DE Randy Gregory, Nebraska Shilique Calhoun, Michigan State Dante Fowler, Jr., Florida Shawn Oakman, Baylor Bronson Kaufusi, BYU Alvin Dupree, Kentucky Nate Orchard, Utah Owamagbe Odighizuwa, UCLA Danielle Hunter, LSU 3-4 OLB Randy Gregory, Nebraska Vic Beasley, Clemson Dante Fowler, Jr., Florida Shayne Ray, Missouri Bronson Kaufusi, BYU Lorenzo Maudlin, Louisville Alvin Dupree, Kentucky Nate Orchard, Utah Hau'oli Kikaha, Washington Eli Harold, Virginia Danielle Hunter, LSU 4-3 OLB/WILB Vic Beasley, Clemson Shaq Thompson, Washington Paul Dawson, TCU MLB/SILB Bernardrick McKinney, Mississippi State Denzel Perryman, Miami Eric Kendricks, UCLA CB Ifo Ekpre-Olomo, Oregon P.J. Williams, Florida State Marcus Peters, Washington Trae Waynes, Michigan State Jalen Collins, LSU Alex Carter, Stanford Quentin Rollins, Miami (OH) Kevin Johnson, Wake Forest SS Landon Collins, Alabama Anthony Harris, Virginia FS Gerod Holliman, Louisville K P Last edited by Direckshun; 03-04-2015 at 08:24 PM..
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09-24-2014, 02:25 AM	#2
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4353447	Let's start out with the obvious one: QB Marcus Mariota, Oregon -- Football Outsiders' own football Bible summarizes the chances of an early round QB panning out thusly: the more games they've started, and the higher their career completion percentage, the better chance they're going to work out. By this measure alone, Mariota's almost certainly the best prospect we've seen in this league since Andrew Luck, and he's probably on par with RG3 as the fourth-best QB prospect we've seen in the last ten years (behind, in order: Luck, Eli, and Stafford). But the tape is what really elevates Mariota: he is truly a QB of the league's future. As more and more teams ape Chip Kelly's hurry up offense, Mariota comes tailor-made for that system. His decision making is precise and quick, his release is fast. He's super athletic (I'm guessing a 40 in the low 4.5s), and he's built sturdy at 6'4", 218 lbs. His arm can make any throw, and is always accurate. The comparison you'll hear all draft season is Colin Kaepernick, but even that sells Mariota short, as Mariota's ability to read defenses gives him a higher ceiling. He will be the #1 overall selection.
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09-24-2014, 02:57 AM	#8
bspence Rookie Join Date: Sep 2013 Casino cash: $10005125	Love Mariota. Watching his film, he may not necessarily be forced to make NFL reads, he can definitely make the NFL throws. I'm not sure he has the ceiling Kaepernick does because he doesn't possess the same arm strength, I would say he's a safer bet to end up as an upper echelon QB year in and year out. I don't see him as being as frustratingly inconsistent as Kaep.
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09-24-2014, 09:59 AM	#11
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4353447	DE/DT Leonard Williams, USC -- Williams is listed at 6'4", 300 lbs, but he sure looks like he's 280 lbs. He carries a lot of weight in his frame, and as far as I know may even have room for more muscle. As it is, Williams does one thing, and he does it brilliantly: he shoots gaps. If you run a 1-gap defense, he is going to explode in your scheme. The more gap-shooting you do, the better he'll be. He's got a series of passrush moves, he's extremely fast off the ball, and he gets into the backfield in a hurry. His athleticism pops off the screen for a 300 lber; he honestly looks like he runs a 4.7. And while it's not his forte, Williams already has the look of a guy who can two-gap well, also, but he'll need some work there. Even though he hits very, very hard, I fear he has some slight motor issues -- he has all the talent of a Gerald McCoy, but lacks the general non-stop nastiness. I think his best fit is as a 3-tech in a hyper-aggressive 4-3, and if it weren't for occasional motor issues, I'd have him as a top five player. As of now, I'll keep him in the Top 15.
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09-24-2014, 05:45 PM	#12
mszymko Banned Join Date: Apr 2013 Casino cash: $9985080	Lot's of talk about cutting Hali for cap space next year, any chance we could trade him instead? Thinking Hali might be worth a second round pick? ...would be great to get an additional 2nd & 3rd rounder. So far I'm for Amari Cooper in the first and as much OL & DB help we can get.
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09-24-2014, 06:02 PM	#14
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4353447	Teams have historically had trouble trading players who are likely cap casualties. It's entirely possible. I've repeatedly said the Falcons would give their left nut for him.
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09-24-2014, 06:11 PM	#15
mszymko Banned Join Date: Apr 2013 Casino cash: $9985080	We could franchise him then trade him.
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