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Old 02-06-2014, 10:32 PM  
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Dorsey is a FAKE
Executive of the year? This is the same guy who had his choice of ANY player in college football and he drafted Eric Fisher. Your argument could be he traded for Alex Smith, but wasn't that Andy Reid's idea? Sean Smith, Marcus Cooper? Those pickups looked great for the first half of the year when we were playing quarterbacks like Jeff Tuel. Dunta Robinson looked like he had aids this year, another "big time FA signing." Travis Kelce, Nico Johnson, Sanders Commings, Eric Kush? I thought Dorsey was a gm who could find value at the top of the draft.

I have a bad feeling this year and next will resemble the 2010 and 2011 seasons. We do well and then the bottom drops out.
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Old 02-08-2014, 05:39 PM   #226
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How? Fisher isn't even physically ready.
What? He's a little undersized to play Right Tackle. He probably would have been slightly undersized to play Left Tackle and with a full offseason conditioning program, he'll be fine.

Last time I checked, Dontari Poe went on a killer conditioning program last year. I'd say he improved... slightly.
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Old 02-08-2014, 05:39 PM   #227
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What? He's a little undersized to play Right Tackle. He probably would have been slightly undersized to play Left Tackle and with a full offseason conditioning program, he'll be fine.

Last time I checked, Dontari Poe went on a killer conditioning program last year. I'd say he improved... slightly.


You just answered your own question.
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Old 02-08-2014, 05:40 PM   #228
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Wait, are we talking about Fisher needing a couple of years to develop at right tackle or left?
I think he can play either. I don't see why not. I don't think he is going to be bound by physical limitations.
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Old 02-08-2014, 05:40 PM   #229
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Fisher is not the complete freak Poe is... but he's a big guy who is tremendously athletic in space. You can clearly see why they picked him over Joeckel. I actually think he falls well in between Poe and Jackson... but the comparison to Jackson isn't valid. Jackson is a run stuffing DE.


So how are Poe and Fisher almost identical again?
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Old 02-08-2014, 05:42 PM   #230
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So someone tell me why we should expect Fisher, who was an abomination this year to be the future franchise left tackle?
Because they invested 1.1 in him. If Albert doesn't return, they should most certainly plug Fisher in at LT. Sink or swim.
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Old 02-08-2014, 05:42 PM   #231
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You just answered your own question.
He wasn't drafted to play Right Tackle. He played Right Tackle because they couldn't get rid of Albert. So if he played his natural position, there would be less questions about his strength.

And to the second point, again, Dontari Poe is a million times better conditioned today than he was in his rookie year. And it led to much better play his second season. Why wouldn't that do the same for Fisher?
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So how are Poe and Fisher almost identical again?
I don't think they are identical. You're having serious reading comprehension problems. I said if you're going to compare Fisher to Jackson, you might as well compare him to Poe. It makes just as much sense. At least with Poe you're talking about two big linemen who are athletically gifted, from mid-major schools, and had trouble adjusting to the NFL game. That comparison at least makes sense. Not comparing him to a guy that was basically drafted as a run stopping power DE to clog the lanes in Crennel's defense.
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So how are Poe and Fisher almost identical again?
Because they both come from mid-majors and were drafted for upside versus being the safe pick. Which led to a rougher than expected rookie season.

Because overreactive critics on CP were saying the same shit about Poe this time last year. And guess what? He got better. You know why? Because your rookie year does NOT define your ceiling.

We all knew Fisher needed time to get NFL ready. It's pretty comical that all of a sudden this is the make-it/break-it rule.
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Because they invested 1.1 in him. If Albert doesn't return, they should most certainly plug Fisher in at LT. Sink or swim.
You don't throw him over there just because he's a 1.1 pick, especially after watching him struggle his rookie year. He has to beat out Stephenson for the spot, one would hope. This is still a playoff team. You don't take a "sink or swim" approach with your left tackle. Get a guy that can handle his own there. As of today, I feel WAY better about Stephenson at LT than Fisher, and frankly I'm not sure how anyone could feel differently.
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I'm most definitely not rooting against Fisher, but I'm not seeing him for something he doesn't look to be at this point, either. Hopefully he proves me wrong and rapes faces as our left tackle for a long time.
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Old 02-08-2014, 05:57 PM   #236
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I don't think they are identical. You're having serious reading comprehension problems. I said if you're going to compare Fisher to Jackson, you might as well compare him to Poe. It makes just as much sense. At least with Poe you're talking about two big linemen who are athletically gifted, from mid-major schools, and had trouble adjusting to the NFL game. That comparison at least makes sense. Not comparing him to a guy that was basically drafted as a run stopping power DE to clog the lanes in Crennel's defense.

He's an athletic freak!
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You don't throw him over there just because he's a 1.1 pick, especially after watching him struggle his rookie year. He has to beat out Stephenson for the spot, one would hope. This is still a playoff team. You don't take a "sink or swim" approach with your left tackle. Get a guy that can handle his own there. As of today, I feel WAY better about Stephenson at LT than Fisher, and frankly I'm not sure how anyone could feel differently.
I don't think it's sink or swim.

It's not necessarily about who's better between Stephenson and Fisher. It's about which combo of LT/RT is better. (Fisher LT/Stephenson RT, Stephenson LT/Fisher RT, Either guy LT/Schwartz RT). Again, I think Fisher's better suited for the left side, where Stephenson is probably equal at both positions. So unless Fisher is a disaster, which I don't think he will be, that to me is the best combo.
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A top overall pick offensive tackle shouldn't have "flashes". He should dominate from the jump. I don't seem to recall Jake Long, Joe Staley, or Joe Thomas coming in and just showing "flashes".

I want Fisher to be the real deal, I really do. After his first year, I have my doubts about him being that rock at left tackle for us for the next 5+ years. Hopefully he gets healthy, packs on some muscle weight this offseason, and actually becomes a left tackle somehow.
Bowser, I simply feel that just because a guy is drafted one doesn't mean he's going to rule the world right away, regardless of spot taken he' s still a rookie.

Throw in his level of college competition and the fact that he clearly needed to beef up at this level and it seems pretty clear he was picked for his eventual production, his upside... whether or not he pans out as well is another question, but he was basically an OL Dontari Poe... questions about competition, questions about fitness at the next level etc.

He was an upside pick just like Poe, IMO... but of those three LT's you mention, I distinctly remember hearing about growing pains from all but Thomas.

If at this time next year we're still here talking about Fisher in this light, then yes absolutely, let the recriminations begin... but its simply TOO early to call right now, some guys, regardless of position or draft rank, just take a bit longer to get there.

Book mark this post and if he isn't MUCH better next year then dredge this up and let me have it with both barrels, and I'll cop to being wrong with a side serving of extra humble.
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He's an athletic freak!
Oh good. So now we're at the point where we're going to just cherry pick examples. Maybe I'll show a few clips of Tom Brady misfiring a pass to prove he's inaccurate.
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Oh good. So now we're at the point where we're going to just cherry pick examples. Maybe I'll show a few clips of Tom Brady misfiring a pass to prove he's inaccurate.


Well, pull up his PFF game by game performances.
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