Chiefs Is the shine on Andy Reid already tarnished a bit? - Page 4

Rexx · 01-05-2014, 03:38 PM

I am still reeling from one of the worst Chief losses in history and I've seen most of them as a fan of 30 years. I like to think I've got pretty good intuition and here is my worry...

It was nice to see Andy Reid turn the ship around so quickly. I don't think any of us envisioned such a quick turnaround, restoring hope to the fan base and putting people in the seats. That being said, I'm concerned that Reid could likely loose control of this ship pretty quickly if things don't progress from this point.

1. Reid obviously has little understanding of clock management. Yes, we heard that from Philly fans...but witnessing it first hand takes any of the doubt away. Up 28, he needs to attempt to burn some clock to limit the Indy possessions. Many issues throughout the season...there has to be someone who can help him with this.

2. He is extremely loyal to his players and assistant coaches. Because of that, we will likely not see any changes to the staff as he has already mentioned. Sorry Reid, but after that kind of meltdown and getting trashed by national media, a change to the defensive coordinator position should be made. Being stuck with Sutton for the next several years is not going to take us to the next level. As mentioned numerous times on this forum, Sutton is unwilling to make changes or bring pressure when needed...he coaches scared! And it appears Reid will allow this to continue as he had 8 weeks to help change it and did not. NOT A GOOD SIGN AT ALL.

3. Reid has always been known as a "players" coach. He doesn't lay blame and players seems to like that. However, I question his ability to motivate his players especially on the defensive side of the ball. You never see any of the coaching staff show much emotion nor the players. Andy sits back staring at his play calling chart and that's about it. Maybe he has a few of the Marty speeches down, but I don't see it on the field. I also know this was a concern in Philly as he didn't always hold his players accountable when looking at results and effort aka Kendrick Lewis.

4. His general lack of commitment to the run. I'm all for passing as it's a passing league. However, when 1st and goal on the 4 yard line...run the damn ball. GEEZ.

I hope I'm wrong, but these issues are pretty alarming and makes me question if Reid is the long term answer even though he won 11 games this year. Things are going to get tougher...he needs to improve or he will sink eventually. My 2 cents.....

I'm starting to think we should have looked at a young, up and coming coach instead of a retread with proven faults. Some may say this is an overreaction coming one day after a playoff loss...but these things have been apparent for the last 8 games. Anyone else feel this way?

Red Dawg · 01-05-2014, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

No its year 1.

I agree. Andy has put his team in the playoffs 10 of 15 years. He is on year one and probably won't have his team assembled until year three. He will give us a chance each year.

milkman · 01-05-2014, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by npayne1978

I'll tell you who the shine had tarnished on. As much as I love him, Jamaal Charles. I know he legitimately got hurt but in games like that you have to be there for your team, especially when you're the best player on the team.

I bet he doesn't get a concussion in Hawaii.

I am in awe of the sheer stupidity of this post.

**SAUTO** · 01-05-2014, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I am in awe of the sheer stupidity of this post.

me too.

milkman · 01-05-2014, 04:46 PM

I can not disagree with the first point anymore.
Andy Reid tried to utilize the run game t burn some clock, and the ground game produced about 2 yards per carry.

With that result, Reid turned to the short passing game.

But where he failed, as far as I'm concerned, is that he went conservative to protect the lead with 12 or 13 minutes left in the the 3rd quarter.

I don't care how much you are up, that's far too early to go into lead protection mode.

fishnut · 01-05-2014, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I am in awe of the sheer stupidity of this post.

Yep, this one takes the cake, stupidity on a scale seldom seen in the history of mankind. JC didn't have a choice after being hurt.

rabblerouser · 01-05-2014, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I can not disagree with the first point anymore.
Andy Reid tried to utilize the run game t burn some clock, and the ground game produced about 2 yards per carry.

With that result, Reid turned to the short passing game.

But where he failed, as far as I'm concerned, is that he went conservative to protect the lead with 12 or 13 minutes left in the the 3rd quarter.

I don't care how much you are up, that's far too early to go into lead protection mode.

should've kept attacking deep, matching score for score. You can control a game that way too - and he actually has the qb to do it for once.

Big Poppa Payne · 01-05-2014, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by fishnut

Yep, this one takes the cake, stupidity on a scale seldom seen in the history of mankind. JC didn't have a choice after being hurt.

I know he didn't have a choice. I'm not saying it was his fault either. It just is what it is. He got hurt and we'll never know what his impact on the game would've been.

rabblerouser · 01-05-2014, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by npayne1978

I know he didn't have a choice. I'm not saying it was his fault either. It just is what it is. He got hurt and we'll never know what his impact on the game would've been.

dude, you blamed him like he took himself out the game or something.

JC is a baller - and probably the best all-around back the Chiefs have ever had in my lifetime.

KChiefs1 · 01-05-2014, 05:00 PM

Yes a bit but he took a disaster & made them a playoff team.

Big Poppa Payne · 01-05-2014, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser

dude, you blamed him like he took himself out the game or something.

That's not what I meant. I'm a big fan of JC, he's obviously our best player. I just think it hurts him in the eyes of some people that he got hurt and went out of the game. I've already heard it on NFL Network today, the "what if JC didn't get hurt".

I play football. I know he didn't purposely get hurt.

rabblerouser · 01-05-2014, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by npayne1978

That's not what I meant. I'm a big fan of JC, he's obviously our best player. I just think it hurts him in the eyes of some people that he got hurt and went out of the game. I've already heard it on NFL Network today, the "what if JC didn't get hurt".

I play football. I know he didn't purposely get hurt.

well, that doesn't do anything to diminish my opinions of his durability, performance, or passion for the game.

and I couldn't watch any of the postgame last night or pregame today. pissed off that I'm snowed in.

**Ragged Robin** · 01-05-2014, 05:09 PM

I don't blame Andy for the complete and utter defensive meltdown that cost us the season. He's brought respectability back to the franchise and his offense eventually came around. Now if he decides to keep Sutton going into next season..

Big Poppa Payne · 01-05-2014, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser

well, that doesn't do anything to diminish my opinions of his durability, performance, or passion for the game.

and I couldn't watch any of the postgame last night or pregame today. pissed off that I'm snowed in.

Be thankful you didn't watch, it was as painful as the loss. We're pretty much jokes to the rest of the NFL fans across the nation. LOTS of I told you so's.

**Rausch** · 01-05-2014, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragged Robin

I don't blame Andy for the complete and utter defensive meltdown that cost us the season. He's brought respectability back to the franchise and his offense eventually came around.

This.

In the end Andy is responsible for the team's performance but if you think he had any part in our defense giving up a TD on every drive that didn't end in a turnover you're ****ing high.

Sutton $3it the bed and didn't have our guys playing deep enough knowing they had to throw and score quick...

ClevelandBronco · 01-05-2014, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser

shit yes. he is what he is, and he's Dick Schottenheimer part II.

we'll never win a Super Bowl with him.

we'll prolly never win a Super Bowl anyway.

I'm gonna go outside and lay in the snow.

I've read that you don't need a better coach, you just need a better plot line.

01-05-2014, 03:38 PM
Rexx Seeing Red! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: NM, USA Casino cash: $10005814	Is the shine on Andy Reid already tarnished a bit? I am still reeling from one of the worst Chief losses in history and I've seen most of them as a fan of 30 years. I like to think I've got pretty good intuition and here is my worry... It was nice to see Andy Reid turn the ship around so quickly. I don't think any of us envisioned such a quick turnaround, restoring hope to the fan base and putting people in the seats. That being said, I'm concerned that Reid could likely loose control of this ship pretty quickly if things don't progress from this point. 1. Reid obviously has little understanding of clock management. Yes, we heard that from Philly fans...but witnessing it first hand takes any of the doubt away. Up 28, he needs to attempt to burn some clock to limit the Indy possessions. Many issues throughout the season...there has to be someone who can help him with this. 2. He is extremely loyal to his players and assistant coaches. Because of that, we will likely not see any changes to the staff as he has already mentioned. Sorry Reid, but after that kind of meltdown and getting trashed by national media, a change to the defensive coordinator position should be made. Being stuck with Sutton for the next several years is not going to take us to the next level. As mentioned numerous times on this forum, Sutton is unwilling to make changes or bring pressure when needed...he coaches scared! And it appears Reid will allow this to continue as he had 8 weeks to help change it and did not. NOT A GOOD SIGN AT ALL. 3. Reid has always been known as a "players" coach. He doesn't lay blame and players seems to like that. However, I question his ability to motivate his players especially on the defensive side of the ball. You never see any of the coaching staff show much emotion nor the players. Andy sits back staring at his play calling chart and that's about it. Maybe he has a few of the Marty speeches down, but I don't see it on the field. I also know this was a concern in Philly as he didn't always hold his players accountable when looking at results and effort aka Kendrick Lewis. 4. His general lack of commitment to the run. I'm all for passing as it's a passing league. However, when 1st and goal on the 4 yard line...run the damn ball. GEEZ. I hope I'm wrong, but these issues are pretty alarming and makes me question if Reid is the long term answer even though he won 11 games this year. Things are going to get tougher...he needs to improve or he will sink eventually. My 2 cents..... I'm starting to think we should have looked at a young, up and coming coach instead of a retread with proven faults. Some may say this is an overreaction coming one day after a playoff loss...but these things have been apparent for the last 8 games. Anyone else feel this way?
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01-05-2014, 04:46 PM	#49
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	I can not disagree with the first point anymore. Andy Reid tried to utilize the run game t burn some clock, and the ground game produced about 2 yards per carry. With that result, Reid turned to the short passing game. But where he failed, as far as I'm concerned, is that he went conservative to protect the lead with 12 or 13 minutes left in the the 3rd quarter. I don't care how much you are up, that's far too early to go into lead protection mode. __________________
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01-05-2014, 05:00 PM	#54
KChiefs1 I’m a Mahomo! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Mid-Missouri Casino cash: $6771021	Yes a bit but he took a disaster & made them a playoff team. __________________
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