Chiefs More proof these coaches and decision makers are incompetent - Page 3

B_Ambuehl · 11-21-2008, 05:16 PM

http://www.tampabay.com/sports/footb...icle911430.ece

Jimmy Wilkerson kicking ass and taking names. The funny thing is how Herm tried to talk bad about him after drafting Turk McBride when McBride has done nothing but prove to be the definition of useless.

Wilkerson's play has Tampa Bay Buccaneers finding a bigger role for him
By Stephen F. Holder, Times Staff Writer
In print: Friday, November 21, 2008

TAMPA — Bucs defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin, attempting to inspire his players the night before Sunday's game against the Vikings, showed a highlight tape filled exclusively with all-out-hustle plays.

Some involved a defender not giving up on running down a streaking ballcarrier. Others showed the potential payoff for playing until the whistle and never assuming a play is dead.

It's now clear that at least one guy in that room was paying close attention.

Sunday, Jimmy Wilkerson watched as Vikings running back Chester Taylor burst through the defensive front and caught a pass from Gus Frerotte with his mind focused on scoring the winning touchdown with just more than a minute left.

Wilkerson had other ideas. He ran Taylor down from behind and stripped him of the ball. When the play was over, cornerback Ronde Barber had recovered the ball, holding it and victory in his hands.

"We had that film with (Derrick) Brooks and Barber and all the great hustle plays we've had here," Kiffin said. "I think we might be seeing Jimmy Wilkerson on there sometime. That was a great hustle play. That's what it's all about."

After a sack, a forced fumble and five tackles against Minnesota, Wilkerson, 27, is beginning to show what he might do in an expanded role, one that Wilkerson, a career special-teamer until this season, believes has been a long time coming.

"My playing time is not even close," Wilkerson said when asked to compare his experience this year with that of his first five seasons, all with the Chiefs.

They were anonymous years, with Wilkerson starting five games and never gaining a place in the regular rotation. His two starts last season came at defensive end only because Pro Bowl player Jared Allen was suspended.

"Sometimes I'd play three snaps, five snaps, maybe 10 snaps if I was lucky," he said. "I played more on special teams than I did on defense. It had been like that for basically five years. Now, I'm averaging about 20 snaps a game on defense, and I'm on just about every special team.

"I'm having fun, man. In Kansas City I was just basically mad all the time. I'd take it out on people on special teams. I had a lot of frustrations and was mad at the coaches, wondering why I wasn't playing."

He took those concerns to defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham. Told by Cunningham the front office would have to address his issue, Wilkerson went there for answers. Then, like a caller trapped in an automated phone system, he was bounced around again.

"I went to management and asked them the same question," he said. "I was told that the coaches wanted to play the young guys that they drafted. That didn't make any sense to me. Here you had me, a guy with years of experience in the system against guys who were just out of college and just learning the system. They're getting playing time before me?"

How, then, did the Bucs come to recognize the former Oklahoma Sooner's suitability for their defense when he so rarely was on the field?

Tried and true scouting methods that have uncovered defensive gems such as Jovan Haye and Greg White are the reason Wilkerson's number was among the first the Bucs dialed on the first day of free agency this year.

"Part of the thing we saw in Jimmy in preseason film and the little bit of regular-season film we saw was the Buc defensive line characteristics that we always try to find," said Mark Dominik, in his seventh season as director of pro personnel.

"It's that high-energy pursuit and toughness. He showed those. And you also saw a guy who looked like he had some instincts and could locate the ball and attack and pursue from the backside. If there was a play it didn't look like he could make, he'd still try to run it down."

Those are skills Wilkerson, 6 feet 2, 290 pounds, has shown of late as he forces coaches to find a place for him in the rotation. He is frequently used as a nickel rusher, playing on the interior defensive line in passing situations. At other times, he switches to left defensive end, where he helped create a consistent pass rush against Minnesota that yielded five sacks.

Wilkerson's role is the biggest of his career. The only question is whether it continues to grow.

"We thought he was a good player," Kiffin said. "But really, he's exceeded our expectations."

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TrickyNicky · 11-21-2008, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I will still to this day never understand that Turk McBride pick it makes no sense at all.

I wanted Ryan Kalil, but we were still playing Solari ball with Wiegman.

Mecca · 11-21-2008, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TrickyNicky

I wanted Ryan Kalil, but we were still playing Solari ball with Wiegman.

Yea we couldn't draft him he went to USC don't you know USC is hated around these parts.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-21-2008, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

This isn't a thread about Wilkerson's stellar abilities, it's about how the coaching staff is such shit that it can't get a lot of out players like obviously the Bucs' staff can.

Oh, give me a ****ing break.

Wilkerson has 15 ****ing tackles!

How is THAT development?

Especially after 4 years in Kansas City.

The guy is what he is: a 6th round draft choice that is hanging on by a thread in the NFL.

Big. ****ing. Deal.

**SAUTO** · 11-21-2008, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Yea we couldn't draft him he went to USC don't you know USC is hated around these parts.

its not usc(even though the guys drafted from there all end up injured)

Mecca · 11-21-2008, 07:36 PM

Well he could be Turk McBride who has more roughing the passer penalties than sacks.

**SAUTO** · 11-21-2008, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Well he could be Turk McBride who has more roughing the passer penalties than sacks.

and turk has 41 tackles

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-21-2008, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

I see a pattern developing...

We draft defensive players ....

We don't develop them...

They play better elsewhere...

We draft defensive players ....

We don't develop them...

They play better elsewhere...

We draft defensive players ....

We don't develop them...

They play better elsewhere...

Name ONE who's played "better".

Fujita's numbers aren't "better".

Mitchell's numbers aren't "better"

And for ****'s sake, Wilkerson's a bum.

In addition, all of those guys went to teams that already had good defenses in place.

Of COURSE they're supposed to better because of the talent surrounding them.

JFC. You guys act like the Chiefs let go of three Pro Bowl players.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-21-2008, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

and turk has 41 tackles

And he's been injured all year.

But don't let the facts skew Mecca's viewpoint.

Mecca · 11-21-2008, 07:39 PM

The fact that we're having this argument really is all we need to know about how bad the team is and how shitty our line is...

And for the record stats don't always tell the whole story of players Mitchell has been a better player since he left the Chiefs.

Mecca · 11-21-2008, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

And he's been injured all year.

But don't let the facts skew Mecca's viewpoint.

I'm sorry, oversized ends that are slow and don't generate a pass rush don't excite me.

**SAUTO** · 11-21-2008, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

The fact that we're having this argument really is all we need to know about how bad the team is and how shitty our line is...

And for the record stats don't always tell the whole story of players Mitchell has been a better player since he left the Chiefs.

the TEAMS might be better the player still looks the same.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-21-2008, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

Wilkerson is going to be a monster. He was developing fine at OU, came out too early, and got stuck on the worst team/organiziation in the NFL. He would have been a first rounder if he would have stayed at OU another year.

Thank God, for his sake, we let him go. F*** you, Carl, for letting him go.

Your and idiot

Mecca · 11-21-2008, 07:42 PM

All I'm sayin is this team better learn how to draft ends because so far they've used a 1st and a 2nd rounder and we got exactly shit to show for it.

**cdcox** · 11-21-2008, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Name ONE who's played "better".

Fujita's numbers aren't "better".

Mitchell's numbers aren't "better"

And for ****'s sake, Wilkerson's a bum.

In addition, all of those guys went to teams that already had good defenses in place.

Of COURSE they're supposed to better because of the talent surrounding them.

JFC. You guys act like the Chiefs let go of three Pro Bowl players.

Don't forget Terdell Sands.

KM and SF are better than anyone we've started at LB this year other than DJ.

**SAUTO** · 11-21-2008, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

All I'm sayin is this team better learn how to draft ends because so far they've used a 1st and a 2nd rounder and we got exactly shit to show for it.

and used a 4th on the guy who ended up being pretty good( and got us a couple of really good players)

11-21-2008, 05:16 PM
B_Ambuehl Veteran Join Date: Apr 2005 Casino cash: $9805405	More proof these coaches and decision makers are incompetent http://www.tampabay.com/sports/footb...icle911430.ece Jimmy Wilkerson kicking ass and taking names. The funny thing is how Herm tried to talk bad about him after drafting Turk McBride when McBride has done nothing but prove to be the definition of useless. Wilkerson's play has Tampa Bay Buccaneers finding a bigger role for him By Stephen F. Holder, Times Staff Writer In print: Friday, November 21, 2008 TAMPA — Bucs defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin, attempting to inspire his players the night before Sunday's game against the Vikings, showed a highlight tape filled exclusively with all-out-hustle plays. Some involved a defender not giving up on running down a streaking ballcarrier. Others showed the potential payoff for playing until the whistle and never assuming a play is dead. It's now clear that at least one guy in that room was paying close attention. Sunday, Jimmy Wilkerson watched as Vikings running back Chester Taylor burst through the defensive front and caught a pass from Gus Frerotte with his mind focused on scoring the winning touchdown with just more than a minute left. Wilkerson had other ideas. He ran Taylor down from behind and stripped him of the ball. When the play was over, cornerback Ronde Barber had recovered the ball, holding it and victory in his hands. "We had that film with (Derrick) Brooks and Barber and all the great hustle plays we've had here," Kiffin said. "I think we might be seeing Jimmy Wilkerson on there sometime. That was a great hustle play. That's what it's all about." After a sack, a forced fumble and five tackles against Minnesota, Wilkerson, 27, is beginning to show what he might do in an expanded role, one that Wilkerson, a career special-teamer until this season, believes has been a long time coming. "My playing time is not even close," Wilkerson said when asked to compare his experience this year with that of his first five seasons, all with the Chiefs. They were anonymous years, with Wilkerson starting five games and never gaining a place in the regular rotation. His two starts last season came at defensive end only because Pro Bowl player Jared Allen was suspended. "Sometimes I'd play three snaps, five snaps, maybe 10 snaps if I was lucky," he said. "I played more on special teams than I did on defense. It had been like that for basically five years. Now, I'm averaging about 20 snaps a game on defense, and I'm on just about every special team. "I'm having fun, man. In Kansas City I was just basically mad all the time. I'd take it out on people on special teams. I had a lot of frustrations and was mad at the coaches, wondering why I wasn't playing." He took those concerns to defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham. Told by Cunningham the front office would have to address his issue, Wilkerson went there for answers. Then, like a caller trapped in an automated phone system, he was bounced around again. "I went to management and asked them the same question," he said. "I was told that the coaches wanted to play the young guys that they drafted. That didn't make any sense to me. Here you had me, a guy with years of experience in the system against guys who were just out of college and just learning the system. They're getting playing time before me?" How, then, did the Bucs come to recognize the former Oklahoma Sooner's suitability for their defense when he so rarely was on the field? Tried and true scouting methods that have uncovered defensive gems such as Jovan Haye and Greg White are the reason Wilkerson's number was among the first the Bucs dialed on the first day of free agency this year. "Part of the thing we saw in Jimmy in preseason film and the little bit of regular-season film we saw was the Buc defensive line characteristics that we always try to find," said Mark Dominik, in his seventh season as director of pro personnel. "It's that high-energy pursuit and toughness. He showed those. And you also saw a guy who looked like he had some instincts and could locate the ball and attack and pursue from the backside. If there was a play it didn't look like he could make, he'd still try to run it down." Those are skills Wilkerson, 6 feet 2, 290 pounds, has shown of late as he forces coaches to find a place for him in the rotation. He is frequently used as a nickel rusher, playing on the interior defensive line in passing situations. At other times, he switches to left defensive end, where he helped create a consistent pass rush against Minnesota that yielded five sacks. Wilkerson's role is the biggest of his career. The only question is whether it continues to grow. "We thought he was a good player," Kiffin said. "But really, he's exceeded our expectations." [Last modified: Nov 21, 2008 06:12 PM]
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11-21-2008, 07:36 PM	#35
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2567050	The fact that we're having this argument really is all we need to know about how bad the team is and how shitty our line is... And for the record stats don't always tell the whole story of players Mitchell has been a better player since he left the Chiefs.
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11-21-2008, 07:42 PM	#43
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2567050	All I'm sayin is this team better learn how to draft ends because so far they've used a 1st and a 2nd rounder and we got exactly shit to show for it.
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