how shady or legit is the NFL ?

[Crying Ramtard]

http://spaces.covers.com/blog/Maximu...or-Profit.html

http://thefixisin.net/nfl.html

I'm not betting my farm on how true this is but it makes a lot of sense to me. The NFL is an entertainment business and can bend a games outcome when they so choose.

So during a game between the Pittsburgh Steelers and the San Diego Chargers the Steelers were favored by 3. Nearly 70 percent of the betting public was on Pittsburgh, with a reported $100 million in potential earnings. The score with less than a minute to go, 11-10 Pittsburgh and SD with the ball. After an errant lateral gets knocked away by Troy Polamalu, he scoops it and scores. The score is now 17-10, there is no time left, all teams head to the locker room, fans go to cash their tickets.

After several minutes of debate, the refs overturn the call, restoring a meaningless TD off the board making the final score 11-10, the Steelers win, the public loses. What I found to be most odd about it is the league's explanation of a "forward pass". The pass was ruled forward although it is obvious it was a backwards lateral. When I got home, I starting thinking that things were just to good to be true.

Sportscenter reported the money lost in Vegas and almost joked about it. They were literally laughing. So after this bad beat, I held around some serious thoughts about the legitimacy of pro football.

An opportunity came up in my graduate school where I was to write my project on any topic I was to choose. So I chose researching the "Showbiz manipulations of the NFL". I picked up several books including Dan Moldea's "Interference: How Organized Crimes Influence Professional Football", Brian Touhy's "The Fix Is In" , Roger L. Martins "Fixing the Game". I checked out several TV Marketing books from the college library and also several TV Business books.

I utilized my rights under the Freedom of Information Act passed by President Lyndon Johnson in 1966 to access over 40 years of FBI files on the NFL although some information was redacted. Here's what I found:

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Contrary to popular belief and to what he NFL wants you to think, there have been fixed games in league history. On page 308 of Dan Moldea's book "Interference" he lists over 70 NFL games that have been fixed and includes the names of the 2 referees involved in fixing those games. He also lists interviews with NFL HOF players most notably KC Chiefs QB Len Dawson. He, in detail with documented facts supported by FBI documents, has interviews with NFL players and known gambling associates to uncover massive game fixing in the league. He also notes, with evidence, throughout the book that no fewer than 26 NFL team owners have or have had continuous and developing relationships with the gambling world, most notably the Rooney, Bidwill, and Mara families all getting their starts as Bookmakers for established mid-west crime families and buying their NFL franchises with moneys earned from gambling. So that in and of itself is a hypocrisy number 1 on the NFL's "lilly white" reputation.

NFL Referees are part-time employees of the NFL. They are not employees of any team nor do they get paid anywhere close to the sums of NBA refs. NFL refs make between $25K to $70K per season. They work for the league and do what the league tells them to do. They are not there for "the integrity of the game". Referees, unlike other sports, are bound by NFL mandated gag orders which prevent them from talking to the media.

2. The NFL possesses an Anti-Trust Exemption to the law granted to it by President John F. Kennedy, which ultimately allows the NFL to classify itself as "entertainment" rather than sport, as well as incorporate itself as a single entity instead of the 32 separate "franchises" they would want you to believe. Contrary to the perception of the NFL being 32 separate franchises battling it out for gridiron supremacy. In a franchised environment, such as McDonalds (Business 101), each franchise is individually owned and operated and can participate in national promotions, have its own local promotions, or abstain from participating (hence the fine print in commercials saying "at participating locations".

This keeps the regionality of competition in tact without having to compete on a national level. MLB has this status, the NFL does not. Instead, since the NFL has this Anti-Trust exemption, it is able to package its teams in order to sell to national television companies, which today totals $6 Billion in revenue for the league. That is 75% of the leagues total annual revenue. In a 2004 lawsuit vs the NFL, the NFL attorney Gregg H. Levy argued that "the NFL is not a collection of 32 individual teams, but rather a single entity. And as long as the NFL teams are a unit, and they compete as a unit in the entertainment marketplace, then they should be deemed a single unit and not subject to any Anti-Trust laws."

There is only another "sports" organization that I can think of that follows this, the WWE. Levy also argued that the league markets its products and merchandise as a whole to promote the NFL as a whole. These arguments led all the way to lockout during the 2011 offseason. The league would still earn $5 Billion in revenue, even without a single game being played.

Professional sports is the only industry without ANY federal oversight. Therefore the league can do and go as they see fit, this is something the players were concerned about going into the lockout, the NFL players themselves sought help from US Congress asking for oversight of the NFL. And NFL players wanted an explanation as to why the NFL owners were granted an Anti-Trust exemption in the first place. They didn't get it.

The NFL proved in this lawsuit that they see themselves as a single unit in the "entertainment" industry and the unique league revenue sharing strategy is not common amongst professional sports leagues.

Robert Kraft and John Mara are two of the most business savvy and highly respected NFL owners. Kraft is in charge of the NFL TV broadcast committee and also leads all television negotiations for the NFL. Kraft also is on the board of directors for Viacom, the parent company of CBS, one of NFL's broadcasters. This past Spring, Robert Kraft negotiated a record TV deal for the NFL which will result in $24 Billion in revenue with CBS, FOX, ESPN and NBC. Kraft and Mara also brought both parties to the table and led all negotiations in ending the lockout.

Atlanta Falcons owner Arthur Blank was interviewed saying "It is predetermined that these two teams would be here, I wish my team was selected to be in the Super Bowl one day, but these two gentlemen deserve it". And the Giants posted themselves as victors before the game, the NFL claimed it was "an overzealous employee".

The 49ers need a new stadium, with the same players as Mike Singletary, and a Alex Smith in a contract year, the 49ers post a 13-3 record and make it to the NFC Championship. But what they don't tell you is how the stadium deal is structured. 80% of the funding comes from Bank of America and US Bank. 20% financed by the State of California using tax dollars.

The 49ers have pledged to pay back the State in 5 seasons with help from revenue sharing from NFL owners. What better way to pay someone back quickly than with packed stadiums and extra playoff game revenue.

On MNF they found themselves in a blackout. Steelers safety Ryan Clark said "it was to show the league they need a new stadium and the 49ers caused the blackout". Why would he say this if shadiness wasn't common practice? You can view his opinions here: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/9...off-his-rocker.

Ravens players complained that the 2007 Patriots were " being handed games by refs" in their quest for perfection. And I have over 40 years of information on NFL business dealings and how these owners "miraculously" found themselves holding the Lombardi Trophy.

Let's look at the 2011 season and see how television ratings connected with some of the league's most important games, and quickly view how the referees controlled games.

Week 1: NFL Announces ESPN will pay $1billion per game of MNF through the 2021 season. In a tribute to 9/11 20 million + viewers tuned in as the Jets mounted a magic 14 point comeback over the Cowboys. Number of penalties called the Jets = 0

Week 2: The NFL's rule changes make for a more exciting game as scoring is way up. Much like the AFL days of the 60's, 72% of the games went over the total and TV ratings are now through the roof. The league emphasises "the year of the QB".

Week 3: Packers vs Bears: The Bears return a punt return for a TD which would've ultimately allowed them to cover the spread. Instead a fantom holding call overturned the TD. It was the 10th penalty of the game for the Bears vs. 1 penalty for the Packers. You can see the play here: http://youtu.be/_w-pXfjbYHk

Week 6: The Beginning of the Tim Tebow Era. Tim Tebow has a HUGE, and I mean HUGE Christian following. The guy can't hit a barn, but a decent athlete. Yet as the third string QB he is thrust into the starting role and the team magically "changes the entire offense" in a matter of weeks to suit him? Tebow was the number 1 jersey seller for the league without even stepping foot on the field. It was time to make him a star and they did ripping off several "magical" victories with poultry statistics. These teams were handing them games. If you didn't notice this, all I need to say it two words : Marion Barber. All the while the NFL is forcing religion down our throats with God's quarterback.

Week 7: The Jags are close to a sale, the possible new owners just need one more hint of encouragement to prevent buyers remorse. In come the Ravens. After the Saints destruction of the Colts on SNF. Vegas was in trouble. ESPN was in trouble because no one was going to watch this snore fest. The Ravens didn't get a first down until late in the fourth quarter and the Jags win with 4 FG's. Sale complete, Vegas wins. You lose.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by ram29jackson

but there is no conspiracy. Government recognizes the NFL as an entertainment business. By manipulating games they aren't doing anything illegal.

Legal or not, it would be impossible to keep something like this secret. That's the problem with all REALLY big conspiracy theories -- impossible to keep secret.

[Beef Supreme]

All you gotta do is look at the tuck rule game to know that there is some fishy shit going on.

[Discuss Thrower]

Tuck rule, subjective holding and pass interference calls, the negated Polamalu TD and the concussion protocol doesn't exactly put the NFL in a good light.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Tuck rule, subjective holding and pass interference calls, the negated Polamalu TD and the concussion protocol doesn't exactly put the NFL in a good light.

It also doesn't prove a conspiracy to fix games.

I really hope some of the guys on this thread are never on a jury. They don't have a ****ing clue what constitutes evidence or proves guilt.

[Nzoner]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

the concussion protocol

This is why I think KC's play-off game last year was shady.Indy opens as a -1 favorite and by two hours prior to kick-off the spread had swung to KC -3 and then finally settled at KC-2.I have read it takes a million dollars in wagering to move a line 1/2 a point,so do the math.

So you have thousands of gamblers on KC and feeling real good at halftime only to see the concussion protocol rear its ugly head and the outcome being Indy -1 which not only saw all that money on KC go to Vegas but the original Indy -1 being a push.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by Nzoner

This is why I think KC's play-off game last year was shady.Indy opens as a -1 favorite and by two hours prior to kick-off the spread had swung to KC -3 and then finally settled at KC-2.I have read it takes a million dollars in wagering to move a line 1/2 a point,so do the math.

So you have thousands of gamblers on KC and feeling real good at halftime only to see the concussion protocol rear its ugly head and the outcome being Indy -1 which not only saw all that money on KC go to Vegas but the original Indy -1 being a push.

The line moves all the time. If you've ever been in a sports book in Las Vegas you can see it. I've literally betted the over/under then watched it change an hour later.

It is designed to assure there is an equal amount of money on each side so the casinos make money no matter how the game ends up. If the casinos set the line correctly (and they are VERY good at it) then it literally doesn't matter to them how the game ends. This goes against the whole "the NFL is fixed for the casinos" meme. If the casinos do their job right there is no need to fix the games for them. They will ALWAYS make money. They make their money off the vig no matter who wins.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Tuck rule, subjective holding and pass interference calls, the negated Polamalu TD and the concussion protocol doesn't exactly put the NFL in a good light.

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[Crying Ramtard]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Legal or not, it would be impossible to keep something like this secret. That's the problem with all REALLY big conspiracy theories -- impossible to keep secret.

there is no secret. People just cant see obvious premeditated crappy calls when they happen right in front of them.

and you are right,Its not a secret because we are talking about it.

[Crying Ramtard]

its quite simple. Pay close attention to the NFL network and ESPN and nfl.com. What are the stories and themes they keep pounding at you through the year. What narrative keeps coming up? And how does it seem to magically manifest itself in the games. Watch the games with a better eye. how quickly do officials make calls. How many times are they calling stuff for one team or not calling anything. How often are they so close to the point spread or completely opposite because they know for a fact the direction all the bets went.
Pay attention to the fact that Seattle wont get as many calls this year.
notice that the SB is in Arizona. That means the Cardinals wont make the playoffs.
last year the Giants and Jets didn't make the playoffs..where was the Super Bowl?

isn't it interesting that bountygate caused the Saints to lose players and coaches the year the SB was played in New Orleans(all of that happened after having been to and winning their first SB ever- of course youll tell yourself that means nothing because the SB was in 2009). Isnt it just a little interesting that after the Cardinals new stadium hosts a SB for the first time in 2008, they end up appearing in their first SB ever the following year.
How many coincidences do you need before you stop covering your ears and shouting theres no proof ! While it is in fact not as random and impartial as you want it to be.

[cosmo20002]

Originally Posted by Nzoner

This is why I think KC's play-off game last year was shady.Indy opens as a -1 favorite and by two hours prior to kick-off the spread had swung to KC -3 and then finally settled at KC-2.I have read it takes a million dollars in wagering to move a line 1/2 a point,so do the math.

So you have thousands of gamblers on KC and feeling real good at halftime only to see the concussion protocol rear its ugly head and the outcome being Indy -1 which not only saw all that money on KC go to Vegas but the original Indy -1 being a push.

Someone got injured in a football game. Unprecedented.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by cosmo20002

Someone got injured in a football game. Unprecedented.

The Concussion Protocol is an extremely easy way to manipulate a game by the league itself.

If nothing else, the Indy game proved it's worth it to go headhunting for a star player. Knocking out Jamaal Charles, or guys like Shady McCoy, Cam Newton, et cetera is relatively low risk and high reward.

[TEX]

Way too much smoke for there not to be a fire someplace...Deal is a single moment in a game can be manipulated / controlled just as much, if not more, by the non - calls, which can influence the outcome of any game. There doesn't have to be a BIG deal made in order to do it, all that needs to be done is to look the other way - miss a call here, there - DONE. That's the beauty of it... Those who can't open their minds at least the possibility that the NFL might not be 100% legit, simply don't want to and / or are delusional.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

The Concussion Protocol is an extremely easy way to manipulate a game by the league itself.

If nothing else, the Indy game proved it's worth it to go headhunting for a star player. Knocking out Jamaal Charles, or guys like Shady McCoy, Cam Newton, et cetera is relatively low risk and high reward.

Exactly!

But you're wasting your time with Cosmo - he's absolutely close-minded- hopeless on this subject, yet has an open mind on just about every liberal idea in the universe. Where is the consistency?

[Jerm]

Originally Posted by Kman34

It would be impossible for the thousands of people involved to keep this under wraps.
The thing about big secrets is that no one can keep them.

Ummm ONE guy, Tim Donaghy, did it for how long???

I won't say everything is rigged and completely pre determined but I absolutely do believe instances are influenced and certain teams/players/narratives are pushed and steered a certain way.

Super Bowl III was rigged IMO, being a Lakers fan THAT Lakers/Kings series was extremely fishy, and I have questions about things like the Saints improbable Super Bowl run and the timing of it, Chris Paul to the Lakers being vetoed, a blind eye being turned to players clearly juicing and using PEDs (I look towards the PGA on this too), M.J.'s "retirement", etc. just to name a few.

[GoChargers]

I'm not a big conspiracy theorist but IMO, it's pretty naive to think that the NFL isn't intent on pushing certain teams, players, and storylines every year. Of course, there's no guarantee that things will play out exactly the way the NFL wants them to, but there's only so many times you can watch Brady or Fivehead get bailed out with a timely bogus PI flag or uncalled illegal pick before you stop believing it's all on the up-and-up.