Something of a moral dilemma

[J Diddy]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

Well. That escalated quickly.

Ive decided that Im not doing it. Im not firing him just because I was told to do it, and in a chickenshit manner the likes of calling him up and saying he's fired.

If Boss wants him gone, he can do it. He's the one with the problem. If I get doc'd for insubordination, so be it. Those forms DO go to corporate. I wont be losing my job, and a full explanation of the circumstances of my "insubordination" will be given and someone outside of the "Good ol Boy Network" will get to take a look at what's going on.

Ill provide that information when I deliver my decision, and then let the chips fall where they may.

Joe will probably still get fired, even though it's bullshit, but I wont be the one doing it.

Kudos. It's not easy to do the right thing.

[mdchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by RubberSponge

Why is it needed to look him in the eye? Trying to prolong the inevitable?

You don't have to look anyone in the eye to hire them.

Customary traditions. Respect.

[58-4ever]

Originally Posted by RubberSponge

You don't have to look anyone in the eye to hire them.

I do.

[kcgizmo]

My 2 cents
I think you are looking at this all wrong, it is not about Joe or the company it is about you. I think it’s a thing called integrity. How do you want your employees to see you? As a person that will not stand up for them, or a leader that will always do what’s right.

Your call

[Bwana]

I got jerked around by my company about two weeks ago, got pissed off and starting looking. Within two days I had several offers and negotiated with a great new company, I start December 1st. The owner of the new company would have damn near given me his house to come to work for him. I told him what I needed to come over (which was the moon) and he gave me more than I asked for, much more. He even threw in 2 instant bonus weeks of vacation (paid) so I could take my annual trip to Belize in Feb. I got more respect from him in 5 minutes than I did from my current employer in 5 years. I will walk through fire for this guy and make him a lot of money.

I'm going into work tomorrow and putting in my two weeks notice. What I really want to do is walk in, bounce the truck keys off the owners chest and say "consider that my resignation slap dick," but as hard as it is, I'm going to take the high road and offer up my two weeks.

They will likely get butt hurt and tell me to just leave, but I'm good with that and hope that's the way things go down. I wouldn't mind the two weeks to get things done around the house and if I'm there for two weeks with nothing to lose, things could get a little western. It's best just to stick a fork in this one, it's done.

I've already talked to my top customers about the move in person one on one and they know why I'm hitting the road and that's all I really cared about. I will be selling to all of them with my new company in two weeks. My soon to be former company will be out in the cold holding their Johnson's trying to figure out where several million dollars worth of pending orders went. I won't lie it's going to be a great Monday.

[58-4ever]

Originally Posted by Bwana

I got jerked around by my company about two weeks ago, got pissed off and starting looking. Within two days I had several offers and negotiated with a great new company, I start December 1st. The owner of the new company would have damn near given me his house to come to work for him. I told him what I needed to come over (which was the moon) and he gave me more than I asked for, much more. He even threw in 2 instant bonus weeks of vacation (paid) so I could take my annual trip to Belize in Feb. I got more respect from him in 5 minutes than I did from my current employer in 5 years. I will walk through fire for this guy and make him a lot of money.

I'm going into work tomorrow and putting in my two weeks notice. What I really want to do is walk in, bounce the truck keys off the owners chest and say "consider that my resignation slap dick," but as hard as it is, I'm going to take the high road and offer up my two weeks.

They will likely get butt hurt and tell me to just leave, but I'm good with that and hope that's the way things go down. I wouldn't mind the two weeks to get things done around the house and if I'm there for two weeks with nothing to lose, things could get a little western. It's best just to stick a fork in this one, it's done.

I've already talked to my top customers about the move in person one on one and they know why I'm hitting the road and that's all I really cared about. I will be selling to all of them with my new company in two weeks. My soon to be former company will be out in the cold holding their Johnson's trying to figure out where several million dollars worth of pending orders went. I won't lie it's going to be a great Monday.

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So they don't have a non-compete or solicitation? Congrats on the new gig!

[Wallcrawler]

Update:

Just dropped the bomb. Explained I wasn't doing it, told him it was a chickenshit thing to do and that if we were doing documentation for insubordination lets ****ing get to it because I couldn't ****ing wait.

I approached it like the nerdy schoolkid who's had enough of the school bully and KNOWS, absolutely KNOWS he has no chance to win this fight, but psyches himself up so completely for it that he just doesn't care and goes full on psycho, begging the bully to hit him.

But then he just sat there with a look on his face I can only describe as a mix between Herm Edwards in the fourth quarter looking at the scoreboard, and a guy who just had a massive deuce dropped in his freshly made bowl of cheerios.

He told me to watch the floor, because he needed a cigarette and he went outside.

We'll see what happens I guess.


Edit: And yes for those keeping score at home, I do feel like a bit of D-bag for bitching about Candy Crush on the clock and then posting on CP. while at work. Don't you judge me you ****ers!

[mdchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

Update:

Just dropped the bomb. Explained I wasn't doing it, told him it was a chickenshit thing to do and that if we were doing documentation for insubordination lets ****ing get to it because I couldn't ****ing wait.

I approached it like the nerdy schoolkid who's had enough of the school bully and KNOWS, absolutely KNOWS he has no chance to win this fight, but psyches himself up so completely for it that he just doesn't care and goes full on psycho, begging the bully to hit him.

But then he just sat there with a look on his face I can only describe as a mix between Herm Edwards in the fourth quarter looking at the scoreboard, and a guy who just had a massive deuce dropped in his freshly made bowl of cheerios.

He told me to watch the floor, because he needed a cigarette and he went outside.

We'll see what happens I guess.


Edit: And yes for those keeping score at home, I do feel like a bit of D-bag for bitching about Candy Crush on the clock and then posting on CP. while at work. Don't you judge me you ****ers!

Felt good, didn't it?

[Wallcrawler]

So, not sure what to think on this one. Boss came back in and said that I should use some paid time off and relax. He was like "Arent the Chiefs playing this afternoon? Why don't you take off early and watch the game, and Ill hold this down until Yes Man gets here."

Said we didn't have to do this right now, and that we should just talk about things when "we both had a chance to calm down."

In any case, I don't have to fire anyone AND I get to see the game today. While being paid.

Ill take it.

[Bwana]

Originally Posted by 58-4ever

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So they don't have a non-compete or solicitation? Congrats on the new gig!

Nope they aren't that street smart and thanks.

[58-4ever]

Meet the guy for coffee somewhere and tell him in person. If you really believe he put in effort, tell him what he's done wrong too and give him honest feedback.

[Iowanian]

I was prepared to compose a post discussing business ethics, treating employees how you would want to be treated, firing via text/phone call being a douche/cowardly thing to do.....and that your boss is a putz. Not sure I'd want to pin my long term hopes on a comany that allows people to be treated that way........in th emean time, express to Skippy why you don't feel this is the right approach, and then do it. Let the guy know you don't agree with the method when you call, but let's face it....he already knows your boss is a douche.

That potential post was set asside because from this day forward, I will be reading 2 posters on this site in an entirely new voice.



CAN'T YOU SEE I'M ON MY F'ING LUNCH BREAK!!!!

[Iowanian]

I think when you call him you should sing a song to make him feel better.

LET HIM GO.....LET HIM GOOOOOOOOOO.....JOE YOU CAN'T WORK HERE ANYMOOOOOOORE.



Being cold never bothered me, anyway.

[MikeMaslowski]

I can see the write up now. Wallcrawler yelled at me, called me a chickenshit and then said he was going to watch a football game and that I better not clock him out or he would **** my sister.

You are screwed dude.

[mdchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by MikeMaslowski

I can see the write up now. Wallcrawler yelled at me, called me a chickenshit and then said he was going to watch a football game and that I better not clock him out or he would **** my sister.

You are screwed dude.