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Old 02-03-2013, 03:43 AM   #1
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But Luck is a robot built to play QB. These comments I read on the internet claiming Wilson is so far ahead of these other guys or more mature don't know what they're talking about. Luck set rookie records for yards, yards in a single game, 300 yard games, game winning drives, and on and on. It's really kind of amazing that people have just glossed over it all because he doesn't run like Barry Sanders. It's almost like no one noticed. He probably had the best passing season by a rookie in NFL history. How can you argue otherwise? I don't know how you can say the QB who led the league in game winning drives didn't show poise. You look at other highly touted #1 QBs like both Mannings and Stafford, and they did not throw more TDs than INTs their first year. Luck not only did that but lifted an average (likely below average) team to the playoffs.
This is actually a pretty good argument.

I'd still give my vote to RGIII though.
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Old 02-03-2013, 09:05 AM   #2
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I've watched the midget play plenty of times. Get outta here with that. He did a great job. And most importantly he has a great work ethic, so he'll keep working as defenses start adjusting to the read option.

But Luck is a robot built to play QB. These comments I read on the internet claiming Wilson is so far ahead of these other guys or more mature don't know what they're talking about. Luck set rookie records for yards, yards in a single game, 300 yard games, game winning drives, and on and on. It's really kind of amazing that people have just glossed over it all because he doesn't run like Barry Sanders. It's almost like no one noticed. He probably had the best passing season by a rookie in NFL history. How can you argue otherwise? I don't know how you can say the QB who led the league in game winning drives didn't show poise. You look at other highly touted #1 QBs like both Mannings and Stafford, and they did not throw more TDs than INTs their first year. Luck not only did that but lifted an average (likely below average) team to the playoffs.

Matt Cassel averaged more yards/game passing than Russell Wilson did this year. Although Wilson did average about 30 yards rushing a game. Maybe it won't matter... you do have to have some semblance of a team. You need a franchise QB to win, but the best QB doesn't win every year. Russell Wilson with the #1 defense might have a better shot than Luck with a bottom third defense. That may be true. Joe Flacco certainly hasn't been the best regular season QB the last couple years but he's been a different guy in the playoffs. Meanwhile Rodgers and Brees both played out of their mind in 2011 and their teams bombed in the playoffs.
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Old 02-03-2013, 09:58 AM   #3
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Wrong.

Wilson was protected during the regular season to an extent...especially the first half...

but he turned in one of the greatest postseason performances I've ever seen.

I'm sorry.

Wilson, to me, flashed way more talent than Andrew Luck. A once in a generation talent doesn't miss the passes he missed against the Chiefs...

I have no doubt Luck will be a great QB but I know for a fact he's not on Wilson's level right now. Not close, either.
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Old 02-03-2013, 10:28 AM   #4
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I have no doubt Luck will be a great QB but I know for a fact he's not on Wilson's level right now. Not close, either.
That's great and all but Luck produced more statistics and more wins. That's all that counts. And he did it with a weaker supporting cast. The Colts were the 2nd worst pass blocking team in football.

He doesn't run around much and get his knob slobbed by the media though so it's understandable that he took a back seat.
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Old 02-03-2013, 02:21 PM   #5
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I've watched the midget play plenty of times. Get outta here with that. He did a great job. And most importantly he has a great work ethic, so he'll keep working as defenses start adjusting to the read option.

But Luck is a robot built to play QB. These comments I read on the internet claiming Wilson is so far ahead of these other guys or more mature don't know what they're talking about. Luck set rookie records for yards, yards in a single game, 300 yard games, game winning drives, and on and on. It's really kind of amazing that people have just glossed over it all because he doesn't run like Barry Sanders. It's almost like no one noticed. He probably had the best passing season by a rookie in NFL history. How can you argue otherwise? I don't know how you can say the QB who led the league in game winning drives didn't show poise. You look at other highly touted #1 QBs like both Mannings and Stafford, and they did not throw more TDs than INTs their first year. Luck not only did that but lifted an average (likely below average) team to the playoffs.

Matt Cassel averaged more yards/game passing than Russell Wilson did this year. Although Wilson did average about 30 yards rushing a game. Maybe it won't matter... you do have to have some semblance of a team. You need a franchise QB to win, but the best QB doesn't win every year. Russell Wilson with the #1 defense might have a better shot than Luck with a bottom third defense. That may be true. Joe Flacco certainly hasn't been the best regular season QB the last couple years but he's been a different guy in the playoffs. Meanwhile Rodgers and Brees both played out of their mind in 2011 and their teams bombed in the playoffs.

Luck was also running the entire playbook from day one. RGIII was running screen after screen with an occasional bomb to keep em honest. Luck was making the advanced throws you expect out of an NFL QB. RGIII was largely protected. That's fine. Most rookie QBs are protected in that way, but Luck took over the whole offense from the start.

RGIII was more fun to watch, but even this year I would have rather had Luck as a Chief. His willingness to make mistakes and fight back from them is why I would have killed to have him in the future.
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Old 02-03-2013, 07:31 AM   #6
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IMO Russel Wilson got jobbed.
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Old 02-03-2013, 08:12 AM   #7
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So basically since everyone was too dumb to draft Russell Wilson before the 3rd round because of his height, he gets hosed out of OROTY. Got it.
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So basically since everyone was too dumb to draft Russell Wilson before the 3rd round because of his height, he gets hosed out of OROTY. Got it.
I think it has more to do with media exposure than performance.

The media loved RGIII and loved the fact he was in DC.

That is why he won this award.

Luck was the better QB and Russell Wilson was roughly comparable.

I don't think RGIII or Russell Wilson take the Colts to 11 wins.

And for all the complaining about the weak schedule Indy played, the Redskins were 24th.

http://nfltraderumors.co/2012-nfl-strength-of-schedule/
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The Redskins beat two teams with a winning record, and the 8-8 Cowboys twice, all year.

The Colts beat the Vikings, Packers and Texans, who all were better than 9-7.

*shrug*

Andrew Luck, mother****ers. More yards, more touchdowns, more wins. Deal with it.
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I am not arguing that Wilson should have the award.

I am using this thread to express an opinion about Wilson.

Luck should probably have won.

I just believe from watching and listening to interviews that Wilson has a personality that inspires.

I think he not only raises the level of play around him on offense with his ability,he also raises the level of defense, because of that personality.

I feel inspired when I hear him.
I don't feel that from the other 2, or from almost anyone.
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2013 Wilson and Kaep are top 5 QBs

already

Wilson is the absolute COMPLETE package...from play to interview

the fact he was a 3rd rounder when some scouts were saying he was a top 5 pick if not for height cracks me up

that was the biggest fail in recent draft memory...how did professional scouts miss on this guy? Insane.
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To say RGIII made that running game great is just silly though.

Mike Shanahan has always had great running games, and Alfred Morris is very talented. RGIII didn't help Alfred Morris break all those tackles, and he broke a TON of tackles.

You give Andrew Luck a running game that Colts team wins 13 games.
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To say RGIII made that running game great is just silly though.

Mike Shanahan has always had great running games, and Alfred Morris is very talented. RGIII didn't help Alfred Morris break all those tackles, and he broke a TON of tackles.

You give Andrew Luck a running game that Colts team wins 13 games.


Luck will win the AFC South this year.

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Recognition should be going to the one who's quarterbacking in the super bowl today, even if he's not technically a rookie, instead of the one who's team was one-and-done and who's nursing the knee they glued back together for the second time.
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Aren't these awards based solely on regular season production?
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