Chiefs *** Brett Veach Appreciation Thread *** - Page 3

teedubya · 08-21-2023, 09:08 PM

I haven't started a thread in many years, but I was thinking this morning (after searching to find one of these type of threads on here) about the Chris Jones scenario. And it would seem to me based on what we know about Veach and Reid, that we shouldn't be concerned.

The ability this team now has to find and develop talent is OTHERWORLDLY.

Chris Jones is an AMAZING talent, but what's the difference between $25m and $30m at the end of the day? Not THAT much. He's set. Jones is just pissed off that the Chiefs didn't sign Frank Clark, so he's being a bitch about it.

But Brett Veach ALWAYS finds a great talent to replace whoever is in there.

He found Patrick Mahomes II and begged the Chiefs to draft him.

The way he assembles teams is something we've never seen in KC and maybe never before seen even in the NFL. And he was born in 1977, IIRC.

So, In Veach I Trust. He will be a pro football Hall of Famer, IMO.

What are some of your favorite things that Veach has done that you'd like to thank him about?

nicksdad · 08-22-2023, 02:44 PM

you do realize that scouts make assessments every day of the week . veach made an assessment . so did Dorsey . Dorsey made the deal. Dorsey took the heat until mahomes became mahomes. name one other draft pick who gets attributed to a scout , not the actual GM. also please name me all of the nfl top 100 players veahch has either drafted, signed as a free agent or traded for in 5 years. I am waiting . ........

Sassy Squatch · 08-22-2023, 02:54 PM

Wut? Pretty obvious you haven't read ANY of the multiple articles on the subject, but Veachs involvement was MUCH more than just an 'assessment'.

TwistedChief · 08-22-2023, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by nicksdad

Dorsey made the deal. Dorsey took the heat until mahomes became mahomes.

What the **** are you even babbling about? Dorsey was fired 2 months after Mahomes was drafted.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/03/05/pa...ting-nfl-draft

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Ever since the Chiefs drafted Patrick Mahomes in 2017, the trajectory of the organization skyrocketed, and Andy Reid gives the credit to current general manager Brett Veach.

During this week's NFL combine, Reid mentioned that Veach, before being promoted to general manager, discovered Mahomes as a freshman at Texas Tech and raved about his potential to Reid and then-general manager John Dorsey.

“Brett was pushing us with this guy forever, he was wearing John and I out with this quarterback, from the time the kid was a freshman on up through,” Reid said. “So we had had tape, he’d lay tape on our desk, and we’d go through it and look at it and go, ‘Yeah, he’s good but he’s got another year or two left before he’s gonna be eligible to come out.’”

Reid also recalls the first time he saw Mahomes live, when Veach continued his persistence in getting Reid to watch the young quarterback.

“He was down on the field before one of the games scouting him at Texas Tech and he goes, ‘You’re not going to believe this quarterback. This guy is unbelievable, like the best I’ve ever seen,’” Reid said. “So you know, when somebody tells you that, that has the experience Brett has, you better look at him.“

Sassy Squatch · 08-22-2023, 03:08 PM

I'm a bit shocked we still have Dorsey stans around here. As good as his eye for talent is, the fact he hasn't been able to land even a Director of Football Operations job should be a pretty massive tell for what the league thinks of him as a GM.

kcgreene · 08-22-2023, 03:12 PM

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“He was down on the field before one of the games scouting him at Texas Tech and he goes, ‘You’re not going to believe this quarterback. This guy is unbelievable, like the best I’ve ever seen,’” Reid said. “So you know, when somebody tells you that, that has the experience Brett has, you better look at him.“

Man Called his shot. All Hail Beret Veecks!

big nasty kcnut · 08-22-2023, 03:21 PM

i love bork laser!

Chris Meck · 08-22-2023, 03:44 PM

haha, remember when one of you guys said Brett Veach was a 'foot shuffling porter'? Which one of you was it, I don't remember, but that's a tough phrase to forget.

Who was it?

nicksdad · 08-22-2023, 04:13 PM

Never said that . I have no Issues with Veach . Seems like no one here has ever worked for a big company. In big companies everyone is always the best in the world and great people to boot , until they hit the door . Then they sucked and their subordinates who stayed behind were the real stars all along . The same shit in my law firm every year for 33 years . It is human nature . So who is the fifth best player the Chiefs acquired in the last ten years . We know who the top four were. Would vote for Hunt . Guess Dorsey doesn’t get credit for him either ? No GM is perfect . Dorsey is a huge douche which may play a role in his employment status as his track record on top end talent would seem to be enough for him to find a home . Not dissing Veach but don’t make believe that Dorsey hasn’t played a role in their success

Hog's Gone Fishin · 08-22-2023, 04:18 PM

He drafted CEH in the first round.

FAIL!

Chris Meck · 08-22-2023, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin

He drafted CEH in the first round.

FAIL!

Yeah, well. Nobody's perfect. That one certainly hasn't worked out.

Hog's Gone Fishin · 08-22-2023, 04:20 PM

nd Dorsey does receive some credit somewhere. He started stacking the roster with Veach and went to Cleveland and stacked that roster.

Direckshun · 08-22-2023, 04:30 PM

Dorsey has been an aces personnel man. He must be truly miserable to work with, however.

His drafts were all money. Literally 100% of the players he drafted in the 1st round were Pro Bowlers, and he drafted 4 HOF players. And it might have been five had Kareem Hunt not been a massive tool.

His drafts were consistently very good to flat-out-great. He couldn't navigate free agency very efficiently, however, and couldn't manage the cap very well.

His job was different from Veach's, however. Dorsey took over a 2-14 team with Alex Smith at QB. He could afford to be patient, keep grinding tape and adding the best players he could find no matter what position they played.

Veach took over at the start of the Mahomes era, and his job has been to keep the team at Super Bowl caliber year in and year out, which sometimes means hyperaggression and narrow free agency targets. He was able to rebuild an entire 3-4 defense into a 4-3 defense in one offseason. He was able to completely rebuild the offensive line in a single offseason. He was able to completely rebuild the secondary in one offseason. He has been able to consistently plug holes at offensive skill positions. He's been able to max out the cap and still keep it healthy year after year.

The Chris Jones contract standoff has honestly been the nadir of his GM career so far, but I've no doubt he'll find a way to spin Jones into multiple draft picks and do something insane like rebuild the DL in a single offseason.

Molitoth · 08-22-2023, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Yeah, well. Nobody's perfect. That one certainly hasn't worked out.

If you remember, Mahomes was very high on CEH and wanted to draft him.

Rainbarrel · 08-22-2023, 06:02 PM

Mahomes was not drafted a finished product. No expensive was spared in preparing him. That was not Dorsey's or Veach's doing

CasselGotPeedOn · 08-22-2023, 06:36 PM

I feel bad for Nick. His dad's a reerun.

08-21-2023, 09:08 PM
teedubya Most Valuable Poster Join Date: Oct 2003 Casino cash: $9480002	* Brett Veach Appreciation Thread * I haven't started a thread in many years, but I was thinking this morning (after searching to find one of these type of threads on here) about the Chris Jones scenario. And it would seem to me based on what we know about Veach and Reid, that we shouldn't be concerned. The ability this team now has to find and develop talent is OTHERWORLDLY. Chris Jones is an AMAZING talent, but what's the difference between $25m and $30m at the end of the day? Not THAT much. He's set. Jones is just pissed off that the Chiefs didn't sign Frank Clark, so he's being a bitch about it. But Brett Veach ALWAYS finds a great talent to replace whoever is in there. He found Patrick Mahomes II and begged the Chiefs to draft him. The way he assembles teams is something we've never seen in KC and maybe never before seen even in the NFL. And he was born in 1977, IIRC. So, In Veach I Trust. He will be a pro football Hall of Famer, IMO. What are some of your favorite things that Veach has done that you'd like to thank him about?
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08-22-2023, 02:44 PM	#31
nicksdad Starter Join Date: Jan 2012 Casino cash: $6315312	you do realize that scouts make assessments every day of the week . veach made an assessment . so did Dorsey . Dorsey made the deal. Dorsey took the heat until mahomes became mahomes. name one other draft pick who gets attributed to a scout , not the actual GM. also please name me all of the nfl top 100 players veahch has either drafted, signed as a free agent or traded for in 5 years. I am waiting . ........
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08-22-2023, 02:54 PM	#32
Sassy Squatch The man you could post like. Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $2469655	Wut? Pretty obvious you haven't read ANY of the multiple articles on the subject, but Veachs involvement was MUCH more than just an 'assessment'.
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08-22-2023, 03:08 PM	#34
Sassy Squatch The man you could post like. Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $2469655	I'm a bit shocked we still have Dorsey stans around here. As good as his eye for talent is, the fact he hasn't been able to land even a Director of Football Operations job should be a pretty massive tell for what the league thinks of him as a GM.
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08-22-2023, 03:21 PM	#36
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08-22-2023, 03:44 PM	#37
Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $1944910	haha, remember when one of you guys said Brett Veach was a 'foot shuffling porter'? Which one of you was it, I don't remember, but that's a tough phrase to forget. Who was it?
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08-22-2023, 04:13 PM	#38
nicksdad Starter Join Date: Jan 2012 Casino cash: $6315312	Never said that . I have no Issues with Veach . Seems like no one here has ever worked for a big company. In big companies everyone is always the best in the world and great people to boot , until they hit the door . Then they sucked and their subordinates who stayed behind were the real stars all along . The same shit in my law firm every year for 33 years . It is human nature . So who is the fifth best player the Chiefs acquired in the last ten years . We know who the top four were. Would vote for Hunt . Guess Dorsey doesn’t get credit for him either ? No GM is perfect . Dorsey is a huge douche which may play a role in his employment status as his track record on top end talent would seem to be enough for him to find a home . Not dissing Veach but don’t make believe that Dorsey hasn’t played a role in their success
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08-22-2023, 04:18 PM	#39
Hog's Gone Fishin Fish are scared of me Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1710477	He drafted CEH in the first round. FAIL!
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08-22-2023, 04:20 PM	#41
Hog's Gone Fishin Fish are scared of me Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1710477	nd Dorsey does receive some credit somewhere. He started stacking the roster with Veach and went to Cleveland and stacked that roster.
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08-22-2023, 04:30 PM	#42
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4383447	Dorsey has been an aces personnel man. He must be truly miserable to work with, however. His drafts were all money. Literally 100% of the players he drafted in the 1st round were Pro Bowlers, and he drafted 4 HOF players. And it might have been five had Kareem Hunt not been a massive tool. His drafts were consistently very good to flat-out-great. He couldn't navigate free agency very efficiently, however, and couldn't manage the cap very well. His job was different from Veach's, however. Dorsey took over a 2-14 team with Alex Smith at QB. He could afford to be patient, keep grinding tape and adding the best players he could find no matter what position they played. Veach took over at the start of the Mahomes era, and his job has been to keep the team at Super Bowl caliber year in and year out, which sometimes means hyperaggression and narrow free agency targets. He was able to rebuild an entire 3-4 defense into a 4-3 defense in one offseason. He was able to completely rebuild the offensive line in a single offseason. He was able to completely rebuild the secondary in one offseason. He has been able to consistently plug holes at offensive skill positions. He's been able to max out the cap and still keep it healthy year after year. The Chris Jones contract standoff has honestly been the nadir of his GM career so far, but I've no doubt he'll find a way to spin Jones into multiple draft picks and do something insane like rebuild the DL in a single offseason.
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08-22-2023, 06:02 PM	#44
Rainbarrel MVP Join Date: Mar 2021 Casino cash: $2820400	Mahomes was not drafted a finished product. No expensive was spared in preparing him. That was not Dorsey's or Veach's doing
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08-22-2023, 06:36 PM	#45
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