Would Arrowhead's Toys in the Attic sell today?

[alanm]

Was bored when I got home and wanted to listen to some music. So I was perusing and saw Arrowsmith's Toys in the Attic amonst the multitudes of CD's. It's been a long time since I listened to this particular album. But I think it still holds up. Yeah it's Bronco week. **** off. Just wondering.Remember I was bored. And maybe feeling a little old.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Listening to the New York Dolls right now via our local indy radio station - KRCL. (Which is the single greatest radio station I've ever experienced.)

http://tunein.com/radio/KRCL-909-s34950/

Zero advertising, supported by community fund drives. Metal show tonight. Blues on Monday nights. Electronica on Tuesdays, etc.

Some very good stuff is out there for you if you want it.

So who are the new Dolls and the like? The last two decent rock bands I picked up on were the Murderdolls and 69 Eyes.

Anything like that?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by RunKC

What Indy rock do you recommend?

I can unequivocally state that 90% of what's considered "Indie Rock" is some form of Jack White ripoff band.

While I think he's really talented, it's a very easy genre to copy, which is why there are a million clone bands around.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by RunKC

What Indy rock do you recommend?

http://prettymuchamazing.com/

http://www.npr.org/2014/12/10/369652...014#genre-rock

[Chromatic]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Oh, things always come back around. At some point in America (and this is really an American issue, as metal and rock are still strong in Europe & South America), people will begin digging bands and performers than can play their own instruments without the aid of a computer.

It may be another decade but it'll happen.

That part already came for metal in a way. There was quite a resurgence in the early to mid 2000's of metal and nostalgia bands either getting back together or having a boost in popularity.

Killswitch Engage, Lamb of God, and Mastodon blew up pretty big for metal. Five Finger Death Punch and All That Remains are HUGE even though I think they're terrible. Iron Maiden, Priest, Megadeth, Heaven and Hell, and Anthrax all enjoyed renewed success and major NA tours.

I feel bad for the newer bands(KsE,LoG, and Mastodon) that blew up right at the the moment that kids got easy internet and stopped buying records. They sold a decent bit but they got big at a time where selling 100k records would have meant selling 1 million a decade earlier.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by alanm

Absolutely, I refuse to believe that America's got talent ect. is the nadir of music these days. Singers are a dime a dozen. It's songwriters and musicians that will always rule the day. Rock ain't dead. I just think it's too hard for kids to want to do these days. No one wants to pay their dues they want instant gratification.

Unfortunately, this just isn't true.

Most of the bands out there, especially on tours like the Van's Warped Tour, are being financed by their parents. There's very little to no money being earned through record sales, streaming is abysmal and as previously noted, there's no airplay revenue (Performance Income paid by ASCAP, BMI & SESAC).

Rock is dead.

The most successful people in the music business these days are writing music for Film & TV doing underscore, trailers, bumpers, advertising and theme songs. It's an extremely competitive field because there just aren't many alternatives these days.

[Saccopoo]

****ing rock and roll ain't dead! This proves it:

[alanm]

Originally Posted by Chromatic

That part already came for metal in a way. There was quite a resurgence in the early to mid 2000's of metal and nostalgia bands either getting back together or having a boost in popularity.

Killswitch Engage, Lamb of God, and Mastodon blew up pretty big for metal. Five Finger Death Punch and All That Remains are HUGE even though I think they're terrible. Iron Maiden, Priest, Megadeth, Heaven and Hell, and Anthrax all enjoyed renewed success and major NA tours.

I feel bad for the newer bands(KsE,LoG, and Mastodon) that blew up right at the the moment that kids got easy internet and stopped buying records. They sold a decent bit but they got big at a time where selling 100k records would have meant selling 1 million a decade earlier.

I'm not pushing for a genre like metal. That's too specific. I'm thinking someone that comes out of nowhere like the Beatles to push rock. Ok Beatles aren't exactly rock more rock/popular but you get where I'm going. A band that influences bands after them. Where are those bands and does anyone have them on the radar?

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

They wouldn't even get signed today to a major label. I don't care what any of you guys say, rock is dead.

Dead.

It's not being licensed for film and TV, it's not selling albums and it's not selling tours. Even Van Halen can't sell out stadiums anymore and they're relegated to small arenas and amphitheaters.

The young kids and teens are not into guitar driven rock with lyrics about sex and love. They're not. It's a different mindset and a different vibe.

Rocking out to tunes of sex and love is passe?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

****ing rock and roll ain't dead! This proves it

Generic, derivative and boring.

The other tracks, well, not for me.

[Easy 6]

If rock is dead, its the industries fault.

Not the other way around.

Music media in general seems to be creating its own reality lately, purposely avoiding hard rock of most any kind in favor of soulless cookie cutter pop.

If they were actively searching for and pushing rock acts like they do everything else lately it wouldn't be any less popular than it was 20-30-40 years ago.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Unfortunately, this just isn't true.

Most of the bands out there, especially on tours like the Van's Warped Tour, are being financed by their parents. There's very little to no money being earned through record sales, streaming is abysmal and as previously noted, there's no airplay revenue (Performance Income paid by ASCAP, BMI & SESAC).

Rock is dead.

The most successful people in the music business these days are writing music for Film & TV doing underscore, trailers, bumpers, advertising and theme songs. It's an extremely competitive field because there just aren't many alternatives these days.

It feels like alot of todays 'Modern Country' bands would have been pop/light metal bands back in the 80s....

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Chromatic

That part already came for metal in a way. There was quite a resurgence in the early to mid 2000's of metal and nostalgia bands either getting back together or having a boost in popularity.

Killswitch Engage, Lamb of God, and Mastodon blew up pretty big for metal. Five Finger Death Punch and All That Remains are HUGE even though I think they're terrible.

None of those bands ever reach mainstream success, which is really the point. Although I'm happy for my old buddy Jason Hook. It's a better gig than Mandy Moore!

Originally Posted by Chromatic

Iron Maiden, Priest, Megadeth, Heaven and Hell, and Anthrax all enjoyed renewed success and major NA tours.

Nostalgia. Nothing more, nothing less.

Originally Posted by Chromatic

I feel bad for the newer bands(KsE,LoG, and Mastodon) that blew up right at the the moment that kids got easy internet and stopped buying records. They sold a decent bit but they got big at a time where selling 100k records would have meant selling 1 million a decade earlier.

And it's far worse in 2015.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Unfortunately, this just isn't true.

Most of the bands out there, especially on tours like the Van's Warped Tour, are being financed by their parents. There's very little to no money being earned through record sales, streaming is abysmal and as previously noted, there's no airplay revenue (Performance Income paid by ASCAP, BMI & SESAC).

Rock is dead.

The most successful people in the music business these days are writing music for Film & TV doing underscore, trailers, bumpers, advertising and theme songs. It's an extremely competitive field because there just aren't many alternatives these days.

Just because Rock and Roll is not as popular with the young whippersnappers doesn't = dead.

The issues you mention above can be applied to all music. Its a different era. When I was young most people listened to the same music. With the internet and cable diversity and musical tastes broke off into niches. Nothing wrong with that, the music industry just hasn't figured out how to make money if its not record sales.

$125 concert tickets are not the answer. I don't have a solution either. I've bought over 500 songs since I've had an I-Phone. Thats $500+ that artists wouldn't have received for their music in the past. At least from me.

[alanm]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Unfortunately, this just isn't true.

Most of the bands out there, especially on tours like the Van's Warped Tour, are being financed by their parents. There's very little to no money being earned through record sales, streaming is abysmal and as previously noted, there's no airplay revenue (Performance Income paid by ASCAP, BMI & SESAC).

Rock is dead.

The most successful people in the music business these days are writing music for Film & TV doing underscore, trailers, bumpers, advertising and theme songs. It's an extremely competitive field because there just aren't many alternatives these days.

And you know what? That is just sad. Why bother learning how to play guitar or songwriting. The only money is in writing jingles for Burger King? But if you're only marginally talented you can sing at the Superbowl!! It's not right and it needs to change. Unfortunatly the powers that be in the music business look at the bottom line and not talent.

[Chromatic]

Originally Posted by alanm

I'm not pushing for a genre like metal. That's too specific. I'm thinking someone that comes out of nowhere like the Beatles to push rock. Ok Beatles aren't exactly rock more rock/popular but you get where I'm going. A band that influences bands after them. Where are those bands and does anyone have them on the radar?

The only 2 guys that I can think of that can qualify as being mega influential in music these days are Jack White and Kanye West. Adele is huge as well. I don't know much about Kanye. He has a few great songs and hip-hop seems to be booming right now.

Also, with the internet being what it is bands and artists are influenced by hundreds of different sources as compared to a handful in the pre-internet era. There's no "holy grail" of bands that push the next generation.

Days where bands blowing up like The Beatles, Stones, all the way to Guns N Roses in the early 90's are long gone.