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Old 01-11-2018, 04:16 PM  
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Trump attacks protections for immigrants from ‘shithole’ countries

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.66b5a4a0824a

Trump attacks protections for immigrants from ‘shithole’ countries

President Trump grew frustrated with lawmakers Thursday in the Oval Office when they floated restoring protections for immigrants from Haiti, El Salvador and African countries as part of a bipartisan immigration deal, according to two people briefed on the meeting.

“Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?” Trump said, according to these people, referring to African countries and Haiti. He then suggested that the United States should instead bring more people from countries like Norway, whose prime minister he met Wednesday.

The comments left lawmakers taken aback, according to people familiar with their reactions. Sens. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) and Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.) proposed cutting the visa lottery program by 50 percent and prioritizing countries already in the system, a White House official said.

A White House spokesman declined to offer an immediate comment on Trump’s remarks

Outlining a potential bipartisan deal, the lawmakers discussed restoring protections for countries that have been removed from the temporary protected status program while adding $1.5 billion for a border wall and making changes to the visa lottery system.

The administration announced this week that it was removing the protection for citizens of El Salvador.

Trump had seemed amenable to a deal earlier in the day during phone calls, aides said, but shifted his position in the meeting and did not seem interested.


Graham and Durbin thought they would be meeting with Trump alone and were surprised to find immigration hard-liners such as Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.) and Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) at the meeting. The meeting was impromptu and came after phone calls Thursday morning, Capitol Hill aides said.

[White House: No deal yet on immigration]

After the meeting, Marc Short, Trump’s legislative aide, said the White House was nowhere near a bipartisan deal on immigration.

“We still think we can get there,” White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said at the daily White House news briefing.
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Old 01-12-2018, 05:36 PM   #616
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Did obama say we don't need people from shit hole Libya not even the same ****ing thing.

It's amazing how RWNJ's aren't getting why it's racist.
When I told my sailors (all white) that their birthing area was a shithole, that was racist?
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Old 01-12-2018, 05:37 PM   #617
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Did you actually read that article?
I did, but I thought your point about the article was the one made in your post. Did you have another, secret one?
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Old 01-12-2018, 05:37 PM   #618
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he isn't running around with a white hood lighting a Cross on fire in a traditional sense.

He's just saying Sub-human beings from poor and down trodden countries shouldn't be allowed to immigrate here.

But whites from Norway A-ok in his book.
Did you just call them "sub-human beings", because Trump didn't. You racist..
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Old 01-12-2018, 05:38 PM   #619
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And he was correct, but I get your point.

Why are people so worried about the blunt truth? Why must we water-down the message by being selective with our words that, well, miss the point.

Saying that those countries have economic and social challenges is like telling a person with newly found stage-4 cancer that they've got bug that's going around. No, no you don't, you have stage-4 cancer and if you live much longer you should spend time updating your will and making peace with people.

These places are shitholes, and a church group being there to help is nice, even symbolic, but it's like bailing the Titanic with a Solo cup, it isn't going to work.
Obama is 100% responsible for what has happened in Libya. He, clinton, and his administration.
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Old 01-12-2018, 05:39 PM   #620
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http://www.businessinsider.com/trump...-carson-2018-1

Trump was surprised when no one in the Congressional Black Caucus personally knew his only black Cabinet member, Ben Carson


All blacks don't know each other Wut???????
So in your mind it's either 'none' or 'all'

These, in your mind, are the only possible answers?

Way to understand nuance and not view the world through a black/white paradigm.
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Old 01-12-2018, 05:45 PM   #621
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I did, but I thought your point about the article was the one made in your post. Did you have another, secret one?
Yes. Does this sound efficient or effective to you?

Americans who flock to Canada for cheap flu shots often come away impressed at the free and first-class medical care available to Canadians, rich or poor. But tell that to hospital administrators constantly having to cut staff for lack of funds, or to the mother whose teenager was advised she would have to wait up to three years for surgery to repair a torn knee ligament.

"It's like somebody's telling you that you can buy this car, and you've paid for the car, but you can't have it right now," said Jane Pelton. Rather than leave daughter Emily in pain and a knee brace, the Ottawa family opted to pay $3,300 for arthroscopic surgery at a private clinic in Vancouver, with no help from the government.

"Every day we're paying for health care, yet when we go to access it, it's just not there," said Pelton.
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Old 01-12-2018, 06:25 PM   #622
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Obama is 100% responsible for what has happened in Libya. He, clinton, and his administration.
What's worse is people who have never been to these places. They are without a doubt, shitholes..
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Yes. Does this sound efficient or effective to you?

Americans who flock to Canada for cheap flu shots often come away impressed at the free and first-class medical care available to Canadians, rich or poor. But tell that to hospital administrators constantly having to cut staff for lack of funds, or to the mother whose teenager was advised she would have to wait up to three years for surgery to repair a torn knee ligament.

"It's like somebody's telling you that you can buy this car, and you've paid for the car, but you can't have it right now," said Jane Pelton. Rather than leave daughter Emily in pain and a knee brace, the Ottawa family opted to pay $3,300 for arthroscopic surgery at a private clinic in Vancouver, with no help from the government.

"Every day we're paying for health care, yet when we go to access it, it's just not there," said Pelton.
I don't think anecdotes are good evidence of the efficiency of the system, especially when we are engaging in a comparative discussion, and when one could provide plenty of anecdotes about problems with US healthcare.
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I don't think anecdotes are good evidence of the efficiency of the system, especially when we are engaging in a comparative discussion, and when one could provide plenty of anecdotes about problems with US healthcare.
You don't have to:

https://www.factcheck.org/2007/12/co...ada-to-the-us/

And that was ten years ago.
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When I told my sailors (all white) that their birthing area was a shithole, that was racist?
Birthing area? Did you mean berthing area?

Or were you, what, an OBGYN at the Naval Hospital?
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I don't think anecdotes are good evidence of the efficiency of the system, especially when we are engaging in a comparative discussion, and when one could provide plenty of anecdotes about problems with US healthcare.
That's why he relies on anecdotes, usually of the fear mongering kind, rather than data.

And why he usually avoids talking about the data.

He goes full trumper on health care.
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It's less expensive allegedly, yes, but that doesn't make it more effective or efficient.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/canadia...are-in-crisis/

The average Canadian family pays about 48 percent of its income in taxes each year, partly to fund the health care system. Rates vary from province to province, but Ontario, the most populous, spends roughly 40 percent of every tax dollar on health care, according to the Canadian Taxpayers Federation.

Yeah, sounds great, doesn't it?
That doesn't at all tell us how much a average person there pays in taxes for health care nor provides any evidence of your point.

Stop going full trumper.
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It is sad. You want others to do what you won't. There's a word for that, and it isn't very pretty. Multiple words, actually.
I lay out the reasons why I support higher taxes to pay for health care and you ignore those arguments to focus on a childish talking point that would do zero towards the stated goal of said higher taxes.

You avoided the context if the post now four times with a childish talking point. Sad.
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Isn't the fact that the government wouldn't use the money for healthcare a good enough reason not to make such a gift?
Like I said, he goes full trumper on health care.
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Did you actually read that article?
And there you are avoiding the points made yet again.

Sad.
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