Chiefs Hypothetical: Pioli and Crennel are gone. You get your choice for new Head Coach, and - Page 4

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 01:32 PM

he doesn't draft a QB until the mid to late rounds. He's acquired a retread to start off with. Are you satisfied?

cookster50 · 12-21-2012, 03:05 PM

This thread is a retread.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 12-21-2012, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

drafting a qb is more important than a coach or a gm...

changing everything only to do the exact same stupid shit we've done for decades defies all ****ing logic

i am done with the chiefs if we don't draft a QB

So if Clark comes out on Dec. 31st and says Pioli and RAC are staying, but we're drafting Geno, you're good?

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 12-21-2012, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Here's another question for you guys.

Say we get a 3rd round pick for Carr. Would you turn and flip that and a 5 rounder to the Eagles for Maclin?

I would.

**DeezNutz** · 12-21-2012, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

he doesn't draft a QB until the mid to late rounds. He's acquired a retread to start off with. Are you satisfied?

Honestly, I read "retread" as "reerun" the first time. No lie.

This should demonstrate how I would feel about the proposed situation.

**RealSNR** · 12-21-2012, 03:09 PM

Flopnuts, a smart GM has to realize what he's dealing with in KC.

He's dealing with a divided, hurt, and alienated fan base. The feel like nobody listens to them- not the ownership, not the players, not the NFL... nobody.

He's dealing with a franchise that hasn't proved to the fans that they're willing to roll the dice and try to win since 1983. Chance after chance after chance has been passed over because Kansas City has brought in GM after GM after GM who thinks they're smarter than everybody else.

I don't care if the Chiefs actually do hire a guy who IS smarter than everybody else. It's not the time to swing your dick around like that. If he so desperately wants veteran QB X, then go ****ing get him. But also draft a goddamn franchise QB FFS.

It's time. There are no more excuses. None.

You can go ahead and accept their excuses and lies. I've had e****ingnough.

**the Talking Can** · 12-21-2012, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

So if Clark comes out on Dec. 31st and says Pioli and RAC are staying, but we're drafting Geno, you're good?

no, i'm not good...obviously those clowns deserve to be fired

but the QB is the most important thing...he will be here after those frauds are finally fired

if we don't draft a QB, we aren't serious about winning...my tolerance for this lack of seriousness is gone (after decades)...

**DeezNutz** · 12-21-2012, 03:12 PM

2013: 30 years since the Chiefs last seriously tried to address the QB position in a meaningful way.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 12-21-2012, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Flopnuts, a smart GM has to realize what he's dealing with in KC.

He's dealing with a divided, hurt, and alienated fan base. The feel like nobody listens to them- not the ownership, not the players, not the NFL... nobody.

He's dealing with a franchise that hasn't proved to the fans that they're willing to roll the dice and try to win since 1983. Chance after chance after chance has been passed over because Kansas City has brought in GM after GM after GM who thinks they're smarter than everybody else.

I don't care if the Chiefs actually do hire a guy who IS smarter than everybody else. It's not the time to swing your dick around like that. If he so desperately wants veteran QB X, then go ****ing get him. But also draft a goddamn franchise QB FFS.

It's time. There are no more excuses. None.

This is the disconnect. It's not a GM's job to worry about a fanbase's current feelings. Because feelings change when winning happens. It's his job to build a winner. So the fact is, if we hire a guy I think is a good GM, I'm not gonna freak out if he doesn't take a QB. Just like you shouldn't. However, if Slappy McSlapdick gets hired and doesn't take one, **** it, abandon ship.

I don't disagree with you at all. It is time. But if a GM comes in and assesses the situation and thinks he can do better another way, I'll give him a little time to get it done. A little...

P.S - I still want Chocolate Pain. The point is, I'm not a pro. And none of you guys are either. At least not yet.

**RealSNR** · 12-21-2012, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

no, i'm not good...obviously those clowns deserve to be fired

but the QB is the most important thing...he will be here after those frauds are finally fired

if we don't draft a QB, we aren't serious about winning...my tolerance for this lack of seriousness is gone (after decades)...

Here's what I don't get about Flopnuts' reasoning.

We're not asking for a laundry list 20,000 items long. We're asking for TWO things. Two. Count'em. Two.

Fire Pioli.

Draft a QB at #1.

That's it.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 12-21-2012, 03:14 PM

So hire whoever the **** you want to do whatever the **** you want, just fire Pioli and draft a QB? Bullshit.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 12-21-2012, 03:15 PM

Tomorrow Ray Farmer is announced as your new GM, and his first course of action is to hire Brian Schottenheimer to come in and be the head coach of the Chiefs. You're good? No way...

Molitoth · 12-21-2012, 03:15 PM

I want geno pretty bad, but I would be temporarily satisfied with a new gm and head coach of my choice.

My only stipulation is that cassel is cut from the team, he will forever be terrible.

I'm with clay on this one.

keg in kc · 12-21-2012, 03:16 PM

Quarterback is a deal-breaker, in terms of turning things around. If they don't find a franchise player behind center, they're not going to go anywhere, not in today's NFL. And let's be serious here, has any team valued the position less than Kansas City? Aside from Trent Green for a 1st (and people will debate his value; I think he was more than capable of winning a championship), they haven't made any real effort to reliably shore up the position in the last two decades. We have a long string of other teams' backups, journeymen players, and other bargain basement options.

A retread only works if it's someone along the lines of Drew Brees (or again, Green, although people will still debate his value to this day). And, I'm sorry, but that just doesn't happen very often. It's an aberration, not something you can count on, not a reliable way of doing business. The only way you're going to pick up a starter from another team is either a) when he's on the downside of his career (like Manning), or b) when a team has two starting caliber QBs and they can't keep them both (who's had that since SD in '06?). Aside from that, NFL teams simply do not let quality quarterbacks go. And that's why, when you're in a position to do it, you absolutely MUST draft one.

Which is why, if they're sitting there with the 1st pick in april, and they don't draft a quarterback, then I'm just not going to believe there's any conceivable way that this franchise is going to turn itself around.

And as far as the head coach goes, he's far less important in my mind than whoever they get behind center. Which is not to say he's not very important, but this franchise will continue to swirl around the bowl if they keep running out the kind of quarterbacks that are available in free agency or for 2nd round picks.

This year is their opportunity, and they'd better not waste it. You don't get to pick #1 (or #2, if that's where they fall) very often. Assuming they lose out (which they may not; this franchise loves to shoot itself in the foot) they aren't going to have to move to get it done, so there won't be any real excuses like when Ryan or Stafford went a few picks earlier.

**RealSNR** · 12-21-2012, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

This is the disconnect. It's not a GM's job to worry about a fanbase's current feelings. Because feelings change when winning happens. It's his job to build a winner. So the fact is, if we hire a guy I think is a good GM, I'm not gonna freak out if he doesn't take a QB. Just like you shouldn't. However, if Slappy McSlapdick gets hired and doesn't take one, **** it, abandon ship.

I don't disagree with you at all. It is time. But if a GM comes in and assesses the situation and thinks he can do better another way, I'll give him a little time to get it done. A little...

P.S - I still want Chocolate Pain. The point is, I'm not a pro. And none of you guys are either. At least not yet.

Like I said. If new GM doesn't like Geno but likes Glennon, then he can draft Glennon at #1. I'll be pissed, but I'm not jumping ship. I'll give him a chance.

If new GM really wants Matt Flynn, then he can go get Matt Flynn. In the meantime, that #1 pick is still sitting there with subpar DEs and LTs waiting to get drafted there. We also have a franchise LT and WR1 who need new contracts. There's only one solution for that pick.

**RealSNR** · 12-21-2012, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

Tomorrow Ray Farmer is announced as your new GM, and his first course of action is to hire Brian Schottenheimer to come in and be the head coach of the Chiefs. You're good? No way...

Farmer and Schott aren't Pioli and Crennel. So that fulfills item #1.

Are they going to draft Geno? If yes, that fulfills item #2.

So I would give that tandem a chance.

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12-21-2012, 01:13 PM
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RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $2350208	Flopnuts, a smart GM has to realize what he's dealing with in KC. He's dealing with a divided, hurt, and alienated fan base. The feel like nobody listens to them- not the ownership, not the players, not the NFL... nobody. He's dealing with a franchise that hasn't proved to the fans that they're willing to roll the dice and try to win since 1983. Chance after chance after chance has been passed over because Kansas City has brought in GM after GM after GM who thinks they're smarter than everybody else. I don't care if the Chiefs actually do hire a guy who IS smarter than everybody else. It's not the time to swing your dick around like that. If he so desperately wants veteran QB X, then go **ing get him. But also draft a goddamn franchise QB FFS. It's time. There are no more excuses. None. You can go ahead and accept their excuses and lies. I've had e**ingnough.
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Molitoth Mahomes Fanboi Join Date: Apr 2004 Casino cash: $2954969	I want geno pretty bad, but I would be temporarily satisfied with a new gm and head coach of my choice. My only stipulation is that cassel is cut from the team, he will forever be terrible. I'm with clay on this one.
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12-21-2012, 03:16 PM	#58
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	Quarterback is a deal-breaker, in terms of turning things around. If they don't find a franchise player behind center, they're not going to go anywhere, not in today's NFL. And let's be serious here, has any team valued the position less than Kansas City? Aside from Trent Green for a 1st (and people will debate his value; I think he was more than capable of winning a championship), they haven't made any real effort to reliably shore up the position in the last two decades. We have a long string of other teams' backups, journeymen players, and other bargain basement options. A retread only works if it's someone along the lines of Drew Brees (or again, Green, although people will still debate his value to this day). And, I'm sorry, but that just doesn't happen very often. It's an aberration, not something you can count on, not a reliable way of doing business. The only way you're going to pick up a starter from another team is either a) when he's on the downside of his career (like Manning), or b) when a team has two starting caliber QBs and they can't keep them both (who's had that since SD in '06?). Aside from that, NFL teams simply do not let quality quarterbacks go. And that's why, when you're in a position to do it, you absolutely MUST draft one. Which is why, if they're sitting there with the 1st pick in april, and they don't draft a quarterback, then I'm just not going to believe there's any conceivable way that this franchise is going to turn itself around. And as far as the head coach goes, he's far less important in my mind than whoever they get behind center. Which is not to say he's not very important, but this franchise will continue to swirl around the bowl if they keep running out the kind of quarterbacks that are available in free agency or for 2nd round picks. This year is their opportunity, and they'd better not waste it. You don't get to pick #1 (or #2, if that's where they fall) very often. Assuming they lose out (which they may not; this franchise loves to shoot itself in the foot) they aren't going to have to move to get it done, so there won't be any real excuses like when Ryan or Stafford went a few picks earlier.
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