Has this economy continued to hurt your wallet, or are you doing just fine?

[MeatRock]

Yep I agree. I've done quite a bit of roofing in my time both residential and commercial. It all sucks lol. It was easier when everyone used Modified Bitumen for flat roofs, but now all these new ****ing products are coming out like Duro-last swimming pool type shit, Metal shingles etc.
Hope it works out for ya man.

Appreciate the well wishes from you guys. This problem roof was the last roof I attempted with a hodgepodge crew. After that one, I went out and found an awesome crew who does it cheaper, faster, and better than me and my out-of-work neighbors. They've done 30-40 roofs for me and I haven't had a single issue. I think I'm going to keep them. Sometimes I'm too nice for my own good.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by Phobia

Sometimes I'm too nice for my own good.

You really are. But God bless you for trying.

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

You really are. But God bless you for trying.

I really need to stop putting everybody else above my own family's needs though. No more favors for little old ladies. No loaning tools to my friends so they can do a job they should be paying me for. No carrying hard-luck laborers for months longer than No they deserve. No more charging $50 for something that ends up taking half a day through no fault of my own. I have to become more diligent in the bottom line because that's how a business survives. I think it's possible to be fair to my clients and make a good living too.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by Phobia

I really need to stop putting everybody else above my own family's needs though. No more favors for little old ladies. No loaning tools to my friends so they can do a job they should be paying me for. No carrying hard-luck laborers for months longer than No they deserve. No more charging $50 for something that ends up taking half a day through no fault of my own. I have to become more diligent in the bottom line because that's how a business survives. I think it's possible to be fair to my clients and make a good living too.

Wise words. I've been putting a bunch of work into my financials. Next year is going to be a challenge. That's for sure.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Phobia

I really need to stop putting everybody else above my own family's needs though. No more favors for little old ladies. No loaning tools to my friends so they can do a job they should be paying me for. No carrying hard-luck laborers for months longer than No they deserve. No more charging $50 for something that ends up taking half a day through no fault of my own. I have to become more diligent in the bottom line because that's how a business survives. I think it's possible to be fair to my clients and make a good living too.

this about sums me up too.
every year i say im going to get tougher about it


but i never do

[MeatRock]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

this about sums me up too.
every year i say im going to get tougher about it


but i never do

Yea it's good to help friends. It always comes back to ya. Something that would have cost me a few grand ended up costing me little to nothing because my friend remembered the work i did for him.

You can't do that for everybody though.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by Phobia

I really need to stop putting everybody else above my own family's needs though. No more favors for little old ladies. No loaning tools to my friends so they can do a job they should be paying me for. No carrying hard-luck laborers for months longer than No they deserve. No more charging $50 for something that ends up taking half a day through no fault of my own. I have to become more diligent in the bottom line because that's how a business survives. I think it's possible to be fair to my clients and make a good living too.

I agree. You have to draw a line between being a steward of your community, and feeding your family. It's not criticism. You opened the can, and I'm throwing my two cents in. This is nowhere near some holier than thou rant. You're a greater guy than I am.

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

I agree. You have to draw a line between being a steward of your community, and feeding your family. It's not criticism. You opened the can, and I'm throwing my two cents in. This is nowhere near some holier than thou rant.

I wouldn't take it that way.

You're a greater guy than I am.

That's very kind but not true.

[Duck Dog]

Originally Posted by Phobia

I really need to stop putting everybody else above my own family's needs though. No more favors for little old ladies. No loaning tools to my friends so they can do a job they should be paying me for. No carrying hard-luck laborers for months longer than No they deserve. No more charging $50 for something that ends up taking half a day through no fault of my own. I have to become more diligent in the bottom line because that's how a business survives. I think it's possible to be fair to my clients and make a good living too.

Same here. This applies to me too, word for word.

[Lprechaun]

Before the housing bubble burst I was bringing in a minimum of $1500.00 per week. Thats working from 7 am to 2:30 pm. Optional Fridays were common due to being able to hit projected numbers on Thursday morning and working that afternoon to carry over receipts into the next week.
I now work in a field that is hit pretty heavily by the economy because its a luxury hobby, not a necessity. I make less than $600 per week now. My wife had to start working, and though I was a super for a multi-million dollar small business I now had to resort to turning my former hobby into a job.
The economy sucks and until construction comes back relatively close to half of what it was this country will continue to struggle.

[NewChief]

We're working our asses off, but we're doing okay.

I got board certified, which added 5k a year to my salary. I also took a promotion which added 20 contract days, extended hours, more duties and another 5k a year or so.

That was fortunate and gave us some padding because in the meantime my wife's employing company changed owners, leaving her at an impasse. She ended up striking out on her own, opening a business, and continuing to do freelance work. While we're actually pretty tight right now due to some initial issues with the business, it's looking like it's going to be profitable. I tend toward financial pessimism on a personal level, but I'm feeling pretty optimistic right now about our potential earning in coming years. We just have to get the business in the clear over the next few months, and things should be okay.

The main problem, currently, is that I work probably 10 hours a day and serve as Mr. Mom while my wife is working around 12-14 hour days, 6 days a week, starting her own business and billing 20 hours of freelance design work a week. It puts a lot of immediate pressure on the family, but we hope we'll be better for it in the long run.

[El Jefe]

Originally Posted by NewChief

We're working our asses off, but we're doing okay.

I got board certified, which added 5k a year to my salary. I also took a promotion which added 20 contract days, extended hours, more duties and another 5k a year or so.

That was fortunate and gave us some padding because in the meantime my wife's employing company changed owners, leaving her at an impasse. She ended up striking out on her own, opening a business, and continuing to do freelance work. While we're actually pretty tight right now due to some initial issues with the business, it's looking like it's going to be profitable. I tend toward financial pessimism on a personal level, but I'm feeling pretty optimistic right now about our potential earning in coming years. We just have to get the business in the clear over the next few months, and things should be okay.

The main problem, currently, is that I work probably 10 hours a day and serve as Mr. Mom while my wife is working around 12-14 hour days, 6 days a week, starting her own business and billing 20 hours of freelance design work a week. It puts a lot of immediate pressure on the family, but we hope we'll be better for it in the long run.

More power too you, I have found the disconnect between career and life to be a gray area to some. I have been working 55-65 hours a week for the past 6 or so years. I still currently am in school full time as well, I have found that these types of time constrictions are detrimental to what is truly most important in my life. I have cut my school hours back from 17 to 12 and it has helped a lot. Money, careers and school are always there to go back to, time with family, spouse and kids if you have them is not.

[NewChief]

Originally Posted by El Jefe

More power too you, I have found the disconnect between career and life to be a gray area to some. I have been working 55-65 hours a week for the past 6 or so years. I still currently am in school full time as well, I have found that these types of time constrictions are detrimental to what is truly most important in my life. I have cut my school hours back from 17 to 12 and it has helped a lot. Money, careers and school are always there to go back to, time with family, spouse and kids if you have them is not.

It's definitely a tough juggling act. We hope that hard work for the next two years will pay off with increased time with family in the long run. I get extended time off in the summer. If my wife gets her store and design work at the proper level, she can be mobile in the summer. This will allow us to experience extended travel with the kids in the summer months.

[DTLB58]

We (My family, of myself, wife and two son's) are lucky.

I have had a very stable job the past 12 years at the same business with great Union pay and benefits. (Haven't been out of work since the 80's.) My wife has been with the same company for 14 years. She can't complain as far as pay and she is on all my benefits.

We haven't gotten ourselves in trouble in the housing market.
And we aren't in a mound of debt. We cut up all our Credit Cards in March of 2003 and just use cash.