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Old 11-14-2012, 12:08 AM   #1
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Really? Yeah, really.

Then why were they 5-8 when he was fired? Why did they win 2 games AFTER he was fired? Pioli wanted to fire Haley after the 2010 year because he wanted to make a move to give options other than Cassel at QB...like Hasselback. Pioli is married to Cassel because he gave him 63 million. Kyle Orton won those games...its too bad Orton got hurt and Haley had to play Palko.

I don't remember the San Francisco 49ers falling off a cliff when Bill Walsh retired. They had a QB.

I don't remember the Denver Broncos falling off a cliff when Dan Reeves was fired. They had a QB

I don't remember the Pittsburgh Steelers dumping seasons after Cowher left.
they had a QB
Yet, I'm to believe that the absence of Todd Haley and Todd Haley alone means that the Chiefs fall to 1-8? This is a team that still doesnt have a QB and now we are seeing what thats like without an elite motivator running the show.

Bullshit.
Call it bullshit all you want, Dane. This team gave much better effort and played with far better energy under Haley because he MADE THEM.

Gyus dotn have to fear him getting in theri face when they **** up nowadays, and look whats happening AT A RECORD PACE....

THE TEAM IS ****ING UP.

In 2011, the Chiefs had 29 turnovers.

Through only 9 games of 2012, the same roster has 30 turnovers.

A similar correlation can be made for penalties and another thing Haley didnt have was nagging "hurts" that got played out like "injuries" like they are nowadays.

Haley gave this team a mental toughness that is sorely lacking without him...its not that surprising that the one game they DID show up was when Haley was across the field.
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:13 AM   #2
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Call it bullshit all you want, Dane. This team gave much better effort and played with far better energy under Haley because he MADE THEM.

Gyus dotn have to fear him getting in theri face when they **** up nowadays, and look whats happening AT A RECORD PACE....

THE TEAM IS ****ING UP.

In 2011, the Chiefs had 29 turnovers.

Through only 9 games of 2012, the same roster has 30 turnovers.

A similar correlation can be made for penalties and another thing Haley didnt have was nagging "hurts" that got played out like "injuries" like they are nowadays.

Haley gave this team a mental toughness that is sorely lacking without him...its not that surprising that the one game they DID show up was when Haley was across the field.
4-12

10-6

5-8

If you think THAT'S effort, I have a timeshare to sell you in Mexico.

Seriously, I have a timeshare to sell you in Mexico.
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:21 AM   #3
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4-12 the year before the team was 2-14

10-6 playoffs with Cassel as the QB, finalist for coach of the year

5-8 wanted the GM to sign Matt Hasselback so when Cassel didnt step up, there was plan b...but he got Palko. Dont try to tell me he wouldnt have won the division if Hasselback came in for Cassel mid 2011...you would be acting disingenuous to further an agenda.

If you think THAT'S effort, I have a timeshare to sell you in Mexico.

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1-8.
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:24 AM   #4
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1-8.
So how has anything that Haley brought to this team carried over?

Or are you saying that Haley actually has to be around for the Chiefs to play better?

They sucked last year, plain and simple, when Haley was around. They sucked in 2009 when Haley was around. They were somewhat better in 2010, when Weis and Crennell arrived, but that quickly wore off.

Todd Haley, IMO, doesn't deserve any praise, whatsoever.
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:27 AM   #5
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So how has anything that Haley brought to this team carried over?

Or are you saying that Haley actually has to be around for the Chiefs to play better?

They sucked last year, plain and simple, when Haley was around. They sucked in 2009 when Haley was around. They were somewhat better in 2010, when Weis and Crennell arrived, but that quickly wore off.

Todd Haley, IMO, doesn't deserve any praise, whatsoever.
Bullshit.
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:29 AM   #6
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Bullshit.
Exactly.
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:33 AM   #7
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Exactly.
You have failed to prove otherwise.
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:34 AM   #8
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Bullshit.
Okay, you're right: Haley was a GREAT strength and conditioning coach.

He sucked at everything else, especially on Sundays.
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:40 AM   #9
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Okay, you're right: Haley was a GREAT strength and conditioning coach.

He sucked at everything else, especially on Sundays.
Accountability.

Haley won 5 games before he was fired with less than Romeo has right now, and that was because he held players accountable.

He wasn't a good game day coach (yet), and his playcalling was questionable, but the team gave effort because he demanded it.
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Bullshit.
We won 2 of 3 last year as a response to the Haley-hate.

That alone fueled this team to care.

The fail that followed was due to losing talent, adding questionable (at best) talent, and following up fail at coach with fail at coach...
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We won 2 of 3 last year as a response to the Haley-hate.

That alone fueled this team to care.

The fail that followed was due to losing talent, adding questionable (at best) talent, and following up fail at coach with fail at coach...
They won 2 out of 3 because of a more competent QB.

Anyone that thinks that had anything to do with Crennel is drinking the Kool aid.
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We won 2 of 3 last year as a response to the Haley-hate.

That alone fueled this team to care.

The fail that followed was due to losing talent, adding questionable (at best) talent, and following up fail at coach with fail at coach...
The team got a shot of energy from having a quarterback under center that could play the position effectively and because they didnt have to worry about big bad Haley.

Not because Romeo was some miracle worker.

Even Romeo said that more than once.

FTR, I think that type of new found energy will be realized again if we draft a kid like Geno Smith or Matt Barkley...both are better than Kyle Orton.
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So how has anything that Haley brought to this team carried over?

Or are you saying that Haley actually has to be around for the Chiefs to play better?

They sucked last year, plain and simple, when Haley was around. They sucked in 2009 when Haley was around. They were somewhat better in 2010, when Weis and Crennell arrived, but that quickly wore off.

Todd Haley, IMO, doesn't deserve any praise, whatsoever.
This team is the end result of a few things.

No quarterback
players coach following a disciplinarian
unimaginative play calling
lacking mental toughness

Tell me that Haley wouldn't have won the division for the second year in a row if Pioli had brought in Hasselback instead of Palko.

That, right there, is the difference between Haley getting fired and Haley ridding this team of Cassel and possibly drafting a kid like Dalton to groom under Hasselback.

The problem here is/was Romeo and Pioli, not Haley.
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