Chiefs Mychal Kendricks Being Shopped for a 2nd - Page 2

SeeingRed · 04-30-2015, 09:02 AM

Thoughts?

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/...chal-kendricks

CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora confirms the Eagles are "shopping" ILB Mychal Kendricks and are looking for a second-round pick in return.
Local media has speculated for a while that Kendricks is on the block, but La Canfora confirms those reports. After the acquisition of ILB Kiko Alonso and extension given to ILB DeMeco Ryans, the Eagles feel Kendricks is a spare part that could bring back a decent return. It's not a bad idea in what is viewed as a weak off-ball linebacker draft class that's headlined by Mychal's brother, Eric. Apr 29 - 5:28 PM

**RealSNR** · 04-30-2015, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Just for you.

Nelson Aghelor (who I myself am not high on)
Mychael Kendricks
Tre McBride
John Miller.

I'd wet myself with glee.

**The Franchise** · 04-30-2015, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Just for you.

Nelson Aghelor (who I myself am not high on)
Mychael Kendricks
Tre McBride
John Miller.

I like Algohor but I think if we can walk away with a CB in the 1st and the rest of your draft....I'd be happy. I wouldn't be upset with Algohor and McBride though.

milkman · 04-30-2015, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

I like Algohor but I think if we can walk away with a CB in the 1st and the rest of your draft....I'd be happy. I wouldn't be upset with Algohor and McBride though.

I went with Agholor because of Dane's preference.

milkman · 04-30-2015, 11:12 AM

I am really starting to buy into Marcus Peters, and I don't believe Waynes will be there at 18.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-30-2015, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I went with Agholor because of Dane's preference.

Thanks, Milk! What are you seeing (or not seeing) with Agholor?

**The Franchise** · 04-30-2015, 11:13 AM

Marcus Peters
Mychal Kendricks
Tre McBride
John Miller

milkman · 04-30-2015, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Thanks, Milk! What are you seeing (or not seeing) with Agholor?

He just seems stiff at the snap, and doesn't appear to play to his speed without the ball.

ForeverChiefs58 · 04-30-2015, 11:25 AM

Every single player on the Philadelphia Eagles is on the trading block, according to various reports. That's an exaggeration, obviously, but over the past few days reports have surfaced that Sam Bradford, Fletcher Cox, Mychal Kendricks, Evan Mathis and Brandon Boykin are all available in trades for the right price, or as chips (pun intended) to help the Eagles move up in the draft to land Marcus Mariota.

Head coach and lead personnel man Chip Kelly has been extremely aggressive in overhauling the Philadelphia roster this offseason. Gone are LeSean McCoy, Jeremy Maclin, Trent Cole, Todd Herremans and Cary Williams, each of whom was a big contributor on the Philly teams that went 10-6 in each of the last two seasons. While many have painted those changes as a sign of Kelly valuing his ego and his system over the players in it, we have argued in this space that it's more indicative of valuing long-term planning over short-term victories.

Let's tackle this piece by piece. When Chip Kelly was hired as coach of the Eagles before the 2013 season, Howie Roseman stayed on as general manager and retained control of player personnel, and thus control of the roster. Fast forward to January 2015, when after two seasons as Philly's head coach, Kelly was given control of player personnel.

Well, like any newly-installed personnel head, Kelly is now attempting to put his stamp on the roster. As it usually does, that process looks like it will involve jettisoning some players brought in by the previous regime -- many of whom are notable players with high salaries -- so the future of the roster can be reshaped in the personnel man's vision. This is standard NFL personnel stuff. Just because Chip Kelly is the one doing it, doesn't make it any different.

If you're shaping a roster for the future, 32-year olds like Herremans and Cole probably aren't part of your long-term vision, and the same goes for the 30-year old Cary Williams. Herremans and Cole in particular have been good NFL players for a long time, but Herremans was injured and ineffective for much of last season, while Cole was never a pure fit as a 3-4 outside linebacker in Philly's new defense. With their high salaries, they were cuts that made logical sense if you consider anything beyond their talent, regardless of if you thought they were coming or not when the offseason began.

That trio of moves alone created $17.725 million in cap space. Would that money be better spent on Herremans and Cole's age-33 and 34 seasons and a year of Williams, or on younger players who may be around for much longer? It's arguable -- maybe even probable -- that the incumbent players would provide more immediate value, but Kelly isn't solely concerned with immediate value now that he's in charge of player personnel. He's building for both the short-term and the long-term.

A Mathis trade would be of a piece with those previous moves. While he's still an excellent offensive lineman, Mathis is also 33 years old and coming off a season in which he only played nine games. Given his high salary (he has a $6.5 million cap hit this season, per Spotrac), it makes sense that Philly would look to move him, especially considering he's not signed beyond 2016 and would be unlikely to be re-signed at that point anyway.

Possible trades of Cox, Kendricks and Boykin, though, do not seem to align with the "long-term over short-term" theory. All three players are 24 years old. Cox in particular has reached an elite level of play at his position, grading out as Pro Football Focus' fifth-best 3-4 defensive end last season. He could often be seen knifing into the backfield, and played especially well against the Cowboys (twice) while helping hold DeMarco Murray to subpar games, and absolutely dominated the Carolina offensive line in a Monday Nighter, getting to Cam Newton repeatedly throughout the evening.

When the Alonso trade was made, many pointed out the fact that he and Kendricks could potentially form one of the best long-term inside linebacker tandems in the league, possibly picking up the torch from Patrick Willis and Na'Vorro Bowman (if not necessarily being quite as dominant, which is nearly impossible). Meanwhile, Boykin was easily Philadelphia's best corner last year and is arguably a better cover guy than the newly-rich Byron Maxwell. At the very least, he's one of the better slot corners in the NFL. Among the 25 cornerbacks who played in the slot on at least 50 percent of their team's pass defense snaps, Boykin allowed the fifth-lowest passer rating last season, and he didn't give up a single touchdown.

There have been rumors of Bradford being on the block as a potential Mariota trade-up piece basically since the Eagles acquired him. The Browns are supposedly interested in Bradford, they have two first-round picks, and the Eagles-Browns-Titans trio seems like it could be a fit once the draft clock starts. We've written about the dangers of trading up in the first round for a quarterback multiple times, but Kelly is in the unique situation of having coached his (rumored) target in college, which changes the calculus a bit. Considering all the different factors involved, a potential Bradford-picks-Mariota deal is seemingly the only Eagles rumor that really makes strategic sense from a team-building perspective.

thabear04 · 04-30-2015, 12:22 PM

I would trade for Cox.

jonzie04 · 04-30-2015, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Marcus Peters
Mychal Kendricks
Tre McBride
John Miller

best possible scenario there. id rather give up a 3rd though.

Urc Burry · 04-30-2015, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I am really starting to buy into Marcus Peters, and I don't believe Waynes will be there at 18.

I'm all for Peters. He's got a lot of Revis traits.. Hearing that Reid visited him this week got me pumped, but it seems too good to be true

bricks · 04-30-2015, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

We have no 5th to trade.

Don't the Chiefs have a compensatory 5th rder? I recall they got one.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-30-2015, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bricks

Don't the Chiefs have a compensatory 5th rder? I recall they got one.

Compensatory picks cannot be traded

Chiefnj2 · 04-30-2015, 01:03 PM

Unless Philly gives you permission to work out a long term deal right now, I don't trade a 2nd round pick for someone in the last year of their contract.

Coochie liquor · 04-30-2015, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Marcus Peters
Mychal Kendricks
Tre McBride
John Miller

This please!! I really hope we get Marcus Peters.

04-30-2015, 09:02 AM
SeeingRed Veteran Join Date: May 2013 Casino cash: $10011193	Mychal Kendricks Being Shopped for a 2nd Thoughts? http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/...chal-kendricks CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora confirms the Eagles are "shopping" ILB Mychal Kendricks and are looking for a second-round pick in return. Local media has speculated for a while that Kendricks is on the block, but La Canfora confirms those reports. After the acquisition of ILB Kiko Alonso and extension given to ILB DeMeco Ryans, the Eagles feel Kendricks is a spare part that could bring back a decent return. It's not a bad idea in what is viewed as a weak off-ball linebacker draft class that's headlined by Mychal's brother, Eric. Apr 29 - 5:28 PM
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04-30-2015, 11:12 AM	#19
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04-30-2015, 11:13 AM	#21
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04-30-2015, 11:25 AM	#23
ForeverChiefs58 MVP Join Date: Mar 2009 Casino cash: $2945326	Every single player on the Philadelphia Eagles is on the trading block, according to various reports. That's an exaggeration, obviously, but over the past few days reports have surfaced that Sam Bradford, Fletcher Cox, Mychal Kendricks, Evan Mathis and Brandon Boykin are all available in trades for the right price, or as chips (pun intended) to help the Eagles move up in the draft to land Marcus Mariota. Head coach and lead personnel man Chip Kelly has been extremely aggressive in overhauling the Philadelphia roster this offseason. Gone are LeSean McCoy, Jeremy Maclin, Trent Cole, Todd Herremans and Cary Williams, each of whom was a big contributor on the Philly teams that went 10-6 in each of the last two seasons. While many have painted those changes as a sign of Kelly valuing his ego and his system over the players in it, we have argued in this space that it's more indicative of valuing long-term planning over short-term victories. Let's tackle this piece by piece. When Chip Kelly was hired as coach of the Eagles before the 2013 season, Howie Roseman stayed on as general manager and retained control of player personnel, and thus control of the roster. Fast forward to January 2015, when after two seasons as Philly's head coach, Kelly was given control of player personnel. Well, like any newly-installed personnel head, Kelly is now attempting to put his stamp on the roster. As it usually does, that process looks like it will involve jettisoning some players brought in by the previous regime -- many of whom are notable players with high salaries -- so the future of the roster can be reshaped in the personnel man's vision. This is standard NFL personnel stuff. Just because Chip Kelly is the one doing it, doesn't make it any different. If you're shaping a roster for the future, 32-year olds like Herremans and Cole probably aren't part of your long-term vision, and the same goes for the 30-year old Cary Williams. Herremans and Cole in particular have been good NFL players for a long time, but Herremans was injured and ineffective for much of last season, while Cole was never a pure fit as a 3-4 outside linebacker in Philly's new defense. With their high salaries, they were cuts that made logical sense if you consider anything beyond their talent, regardless of if you thought they were coming or not when the offseason began. That trio of moves alone created $17.725 million in cap space. Would that money be better spent on Herremans and Cole's age-33 and 34 seasons and a year of Williams, or on younger players who may be around for much longer? It's arguable -- maybe even probable -- that the incumbent players would provide more immediate value, but Kelly isn't solely concerned with immediate value now that he's in charge of player personnel. He's building for both the short-term and the long-term. A Mathis trade would be of a piece with those previous moves. While he's still an excellent offensive lineman, Mathis is also 33 years old and coming off a season in which he only played nine games. Given his high salary (he has a $6.5 million cap hit this season, per Spotrac), it makes sense that Philly would look to move him, especially considering he's not signed beyond 2016 and would be unlikely to be re-signed at that point anyway. Possible trades of Cox, Kendricks and Boykin, though, do not seem to align with the "long-term over short-term" theory. All three players are 24 years old. Cox in particular has reached an elite level of play at his position, grading out as Pro Football Focus' fifth-best 3-4 defensive end last season. He could often be seen knifing into the backfield, and played especially well against the Cowboys (twice) while helping hold DeMarco Murray to subpar games, and absolutely dominated the Carolina offensive line in a Monday Nighter, getting to Cam Newton repeatedly throughout the evening. When the Alonso trade was made, many pointed out the fact that he and Kendricks could potentially form one of the best long-term inside linebacker tandems in the league, possibly picking up the torch from Patrick Willis and Na'Vorro Bowman (if not necessarily being quite as dominant, which is nearly impossible). Meanwhile, Boykin was easily Philadelphia's best corner last year and is arguably a better cover guy than the newly-rich Byron Maxwell. At the very least, he's one of the better slot corners in the NFL. Among the 25 cornerbacks who played in the slot on at least 50 percent of their team's pass defense snaps, Boykin allowed the fifth-lowest passer rating last season, and he didn't give up a single touchdown. There have been rumors of Bradford being on the block as a potential Mariota trade-up piece basically since the Eagles acquired him. The Browns are supposedly interested in Bradford, they have two first-round picks, and the Eagles-Browns-Titans trio seems like it could be a fit once the draft clock starts. We've written about the dangers of trading up in the first round for a quarterback multiple times, but Kelly is in the unique situation of having coached his (rumored) target in college, which changes the calculus a bit. Considering all the different factors involved, a potential Bradford-picks-Mariota deal is seemingly the only Eagles rumor that really makes strategic sense from a team-building perspective.
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04-30-2015, 12:22 PM	#24
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Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $7883688	Unless Philly gives you permission to work out a long term deal right now, I don't trade a 2nd round pick for someone in the last year of their contract. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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