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saphojunkie · 11:59 AM

Now with 800% more crapshoot!

Roster:

Spoiler!

SCHEDULE

Spoiler!

Notable dates:

Late Night in the Phog
Oct 1 6:30 PM
Allen Fieldhouse
Students enter at 4:30PM, general public at 5:00 PM

Champions Classic:
Nov 15, 2016 - Madison Square Garden. KU vs. Duke

CBE Hall of Fame Classic:
semis & finals at Sprint Center in KC.
Nov 21 - 22 (early games date & time ).

Armed Forces Classic
Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickham, Hawai`i: Nov. 11 (ESPN)
Indiana vs. Kansas
Arizona vs. Michigan State

BIG 12/SEC CHALLENGE
Kansas vs. Kentucky
Rupp Arena, Lexington, KY
Jan 28, 2017

Let's go get Lucky 13. And a damn National Championship.

Chief Pagan · 02-26-2017, 12:10 PM

Insightful about the teams?

Seemed he spent more time talking about the players parents than the players themselves and more time on the Pac12 than the Big 12.

Meh.

Mr. Plow · 02-27-2017, 11:38 AM

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings

AP Top 25
RK TEAM RECORD PTS
1 Kansas (58) 26-3 1,618
2 Villanova (2) 27-3 1,487
3 UCLA (3) 26-3 1,474
4 Gonzaga (2) 29-1 1,419
5 North Carolina 25-5 1,381
6 Oregon 26-4 1,343
7 Arizona 26-4 1,223
8 Louisville 23-6 1,176
9 Kentucky 24-5 1,119
10 West Virginia 23-6 1,041
11 Baylor 23-6 923
12 Florida 23-6 807
13 Butler 23-6 795
14 SMU 25-4 738
15 Florida State 23-6 722
16 Purdue 23-6 651
17 Duke 22-7 622
18 Cincinnati 25-4 504
19 Notre Dame 22-7 482
20 Saint Mary's 26-3 445
21 Wichita State 27-4 250
22 Wisconsin 22-7 206
23 Virginia 19-9 194
24 Iowa State 19-9 168
25 Miami 20-8 123
Others receiving votes: Minnesota 66, Oklahoma State 54, Dayton 32, Michigan 14, Middle Tennessee 13, Creighton 12, USC 7, Michigan State 3, Monmouth 3, VCU 2, Virginia Tech 2, Vermont 2, Arkansas 1, Maryland 1, Princeton 1, BYU 1

Mr. Plow · 02-27-2017, 12:47 PM

USA Today Coaches Poll
RK TEAM RECORD PTS
1 Kansas (23) 26-3 790
2 UCLA (3) 26-3 730
2 Villanova (5) 27-3 730
4 Gonzaga (1) 29-1 686
5 North Carolina 25-5 663
6 Oregon 26-4 653
7 Louisville 23-6 600
8 Arizona 26-4 585
9 Kentucky 24-5 578
10 West Virginia 23-6 478
11 Baylor 23-6 461
12 Florida 23-6 382
13 Notre Dame 22-7 334
14 Duke 22-7 315
15 Butler 23-6 314
16 Purdue 23-6 299
17 Florida State 23-6 290
18 Saint Mary's 26-3 273
19 SMU 25-4 269
20 Cincinnati 25-4 210
21 Wisconsin 22-7 185
22 Wichita State 27-4 140
23 Virginia 19-9 138
24 Iowa State 19-9 57
25 Miami 20-8 48
Others receiving votes: Creighton 44, South Carolina 25, USC 21, Middle Tennessee 20, Oklahoma State 16, Dayton 15, Minnesota 10, Maryland 9, Northwestern 8, Xavier 8, Michigan State 7, California 4, Arkansas 2, Michigan 2, VCU 1

Reerun_KC · 02-27-2017, 12:48 PM

I see the Midwest power is back in the top 25.

Shocker time

Chiefspants · 02-27-2017, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

I see the Midwest power is back in the top 25.

Shocker time

I'm seeing a lot of brackets that have them as the #8 in our field.

It seems the NCAA loves to do that... but this year, we'd have no excuse not to take care of them.

saphojunkie · 02-27-2017, 01:02 PM

I know the UT game wasn't our best on paper or in actual results, but I will say it was the game that made me feel the most confident about our ability to win a championship this year.

Jackson has ascended even more, and between he and Mason, Jackson was the better player on Saturday, which is saying something.

The emergence of Coleby and the re-emergence of Bragg has a ton to do with why I feel confident. It just changes the whole landscape of the game when we can rotate three bigs through, instead of shuffling our backcourt around all game.

I just felt like we played with energy and intensity, and while there were some problems with rebounding, for the most part it just felt like a great team win that never really felt in contention.

I will say, however, that Jarrett Allen is the real deal. Man, we really could have used that kid this year. I don't know if we would have lost a game if he had come to KU. Love his game, and I think he should go to the NBA, where he will do nothing but improve.

Allen vs. Jackson was a super fun matchup to watch, and he gave Josh all he could handle. Jackson has him when he puts it on the deck, though.

Speaking of which... I wonder if Devonte reads message boards. There was a lot of chatter about how he doesn't ever attack the rim and just hangs by the three point line. Then, Saturday afternoon, he's driving to the basket and - GASP! - actually getting to the free throw line. I saw him line up for his first FT and thought, "Holy shit... I don't remember the last time he shot free throws. I know everyone else's FT routine, but can't think of his at all."

Good signs, all around, I'd say. Let's just win out now and get that top seed in the tourney.

UCLA is coming, and we best be ready.

**Buehler445** · 02-27-2017, 01:49 PM

I can see this being a 2007 type year where they send us to the west to play in Anaheim where UCLA is playing.

Mr. Plow · 02-27-2017, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buehler445

I can see this being a 2007 type year where they send us to the west to play in Anaheim where UCLA is playing.

Our route is Tulsa, then KC, then Phoenix. No way they send us out west unless we drop to a 2 seed, and we aren't dropping to a 2 seed.

BWillie · 02-27-2017, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

I'm seeing a lot of brackets that have them as the #8 in our field.

It seems the NCAA loves to do that... but this year, we'd have no excuse not to take care of them.

Sure we do. We are #8 Kenpom, they are #10. It would be almost a pick em game by Vegas odds. It was virtually that way when we played them a few years ago. Very unlucky to get them as an 8 or 9 seed then, would be super unlucky to get them now.

Chiefspants · 02-27-2017, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie

Sure we do. We are #8 Kenpom, they are #10. It would be almost a pick em game by Vegas odds. It was virtually that way when we played them a few years ago. Very unlucky to get them as an 8 or 9 seed then, would be super unlucky to get them now.

While I didn't realize they were ranked so highly in Kenpom, this team definitely isn't cut from the same cloth as the Wichita State teams of old. I watched a few of their non-con games and the different was quite noticeable. Perhaps they've sharpened up since, but without Baker and VV, it's hard to think that they're the same caliber as they were in years past.

sedated · 02-27-2017, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

I'm seeing a lot of brackets that have them as the #8 in our field.

It seems the NCAA loves to do that...

I really wish people would stop thinking this.

Yes, we played WSU in the 2nd round 2 years ago. But other than that, there is very little evidence that the NCAA has set us (or anyone else) up in these types of early round matchups.

sedated · 02-27-2017, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie

Very unlucky to get them as an 8 or 9 seed then, would be super unlucky to get them now.

They were a 7 btw

Chiefspants · 02-27-2017, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sedated

I really wish people would stop thinking this.

Yes, we played WSU in the 2nd round 2 years ago. But other than that, there is very little evidence that the NCAA has set us (or anyone else) up in these types of early round matchups.

I should have clarified, bracketologists always love the matchup, and after last year some think the NCAA does too. There was no justifiable reason for them to be a 7 in 2015. They were predicted to be a 4 seed going into the tournament and had the resume to back that up. Seeing them placed so low made zero sense (an 8 this season would be as criminal, imho).

They were in our bracket again last season, and if they're there for a third season in a row, it'll attract some speculation about how the NCAA feels about the matchup, justified or not.

BWillie · 02-27-2017, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sedated

I really wish people would stop thinking this.

Yes, we played WSU in the 2nd round 2 years ago. But other than that, there is very little evidence that the NCAA has set us (or anyone else) up in these types of early round matchups.

Ha. So you don't think, that when Missouri makes the tournament again in ten years, that the committee won't try to put them in your bracket? You are naive.

As the great Mark Mangino said, DOLLAR SIGNS.

KC_Connection · 02-27-2017, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

and the re-emergence of Bragg

When was this re-emergence?

04-07-2016, 12:22 PM
saphojunkie MVP Join Date: Aug 2011 Casino cash: $4726250	*** Official 2016-2017 Kansas Basketball Repository Thread * Now with 800% more crapshoot! Roster: Spoiler! RETURNING PLAYERS: Frank Mason, sr. Landen Lucas, sr. Devonte Graham, jr. Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk, jr. Dwight Coleby, jr. Carlton Bragg, soph. Legerald Vick, sop. Tyler Self, sr. Clay Young, RS JR. INCOMING PLAYERS: Josh Jackson - Rivals #1 player, ESPN100 #3 overall player Udoka Azubuike, fr. Mitch Lightfoot, fr. Evan Maxwell, jr. (sits out year due to transfer rules) Malik Newman, RSSOPH (sits out year due to transfer rules) SCHEDULE Spoiler! WASHBURN (EXH.) TUE, NOVEMBER 1 LAWRENCE, KAN. ALLEN FIELDHOUSE VS. EMPORIA STATE (EXH) MON, NOVEMBER 7 LAWRENCE, KAN. ALLEN FIELDHOUSE ARMED FORCES CLASSIC INDIANA FRI, NOVEMBER 11 HONOLULU, HAWAII JOINT BASE PEARL HARBOR-HICKAM STATE FARM CHAMPIONS CLASSIC CHAMPIONS CLASSIC DUKE TUE, NOVEMBER 15 NEW YORK, N.Y. MADISON SQUARE GARDEN VS. SIENA FRI, NOVEMBER 18 LAWRENCE, KAN. ALLEN FIELDHOUSE CBE HALL OF FAME CLASSIC MON, NOVEMBER 21 TBA TUE, NOVEMBER 22 TBA KANSAS CITY, MO. SPRINT CENTER VS. UNC ASHEVILLE FRI, NOVEMBER 25 LAWRENCE, KAN. ALLEN FIELDHOUSE VS. LONG BEACH STATE TUE, NOVEMBER 29 LAWRENCE, KAN. ALLEN FIELDHOUSE VS. STANFORD SAT, DECEMBER 3 LAWRENCE, KAN. ALLEN FIELDHOUSE VS. UMKC TUE, DECEMBER 6 LAWRENCE, KAN. ALLEN FIELDHOUSE VS. NEBRASKA SAT, DECEMBER 10 LAWRENCE, KAN. ALLEN FIELDHOUSE JAYHAWK SHOOTOUT DAVIDSON SAT, DECEMBER 17 KANSAS CITY, MO. SPRINT CENTER @ UNLV THU, DECEMBER 22 LAS VEGAS, NEV. THOMAS & MACK CENTER SONIC SEC/BIG 12 CHALLENGE BIG12/SEC CHALLENGE @ KENTUCKY SAT, JANUARY 28 LEXINGTON, KY RUPP ARENA TV: ESPN/2/U CONFERENCE SCHEDULE TBA PHILLIPS 66 BIG 12 CHAMPIONSHIP FIRST ROUND WED, MARCH 8 KANSAS CITY, MO. SPRINT CENTER QUARTERFINALS THU, MARCH 9 KANSAS CITY, MO. SPRINT CENTER SEMIFINALS FRI, MARCH 10 KANSAS CITY, MO. SPRINT CENTER FINAL SAT, MARCH 11 KANSAS CITY, MO. SPRINT CENTER NCAA MEN'S BASKELL CHAMPIONSHIP FIRST ROUND THU, MARCH 16 - FRI, MARCH 17 SECOND ROUND SAT, MARCH 18 - SUN, MARCH 19 SWEET SIXTEEN THU, MARCH 23 - FRI, MARCH 24 ELITE EIGHT SAT, MARCH 25 - SUN, MARCH 26 FINAL FOUR - GLENDALE, ARIZ. UNIVERSITY OF PHOENIX STADIUM FINAL FOUR SAT, APRIL 1 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP MON, APRIL 3 GLENDALE, ARIZ. UNIVERSITY OF PHOENIX STADIUM Notable dates:** Late Night in the Phog Oct 1 6:30 PM Allen Fieldhouse Students enter at 4:30PM, general public at 5:00 PM Champions Classic: Nov 15, 2016 - Madison Square Garden. KU vs. Duke CBE Hall of Fame Classic: semis & finals at Sprint Center in KC. Nov 21 - 22 (early games date & time ). Armed Forces Classic Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickham, Hawai`i: Nov. 11 (ESPN) Indiana vs. Kansas Arizona vs. Michigan State BIG 12/SEC CHALLENGE Kansas vs. Kentucky Rupp Arena, Lexington, KY Jan 28, 2017 Let's go get Lucky 13. And a damn National Championship. Last edited by saphojunkie; 07-01-2016 at 11:59 AM..
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02-26-2017, 12:10 PM	#2431
Chief Pagan Sometimes it's black and white Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: California Casino cash: $3734900	Insightful about the teams? Seemed he spent more time talking about the players parents than the players themselves and more time on the Pac12 than the Big 12. Meh. __________________ Sometimes.
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02-27-2017, 11:38 AM	#2432
Mr. Plow In Search of a Life Join Date: Dec 2005 Casino cash: $1967391	http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings AP Top 25 RK TEAM RECORD PTS 1 Kansas (58) 26-3 1,618 2 Villanova (2) 27-3 1,487 3 UCLA (3) 26-3 1,474 4 Gonzaga (2) 29-1 1,419 5 North Carolina 25-5 1,381 6 Oregon 26-4 1,343 7 Arizona 26-4 1,223 8 Louisville 23-6 1,176 9 Kentucky 24-5 1,119 10 West Virginia 23-6 1,041 11 Baylor 23-6 923 12 Florida 23-6 807 13 Butler 23-6 795 14 SMU 25-4 738 15 Florida State 23-6 722 16 Purdue 23-6 651 17 Duke 22-7 622 18 Cincinnati 25-4 504 19 Notre Dame 22-7 482 20 Saint Mary's 26-3 445 21 Wichita State 27-4 250 22 Wisconsin 22-7 206 23 Virginia 19-9 194 24 Iowa State 19-9 168 25 Miami 20-8 123 Others receiving votes: Minnesota 66, Oklahoma State 54, Dayton 32, Michigan 14, Middle Tennessee 13, Creighton 12, USC 7, Michigan State 3, Monmouth 3, VCU 2, Virginia Tech 2, Vermont 2, Arkansas 1, Maryland 1, Princeton 1, BYU 1
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02-27-2017, 12:47 PM	#2433
Mr. Plow In Search of a Life Join Date: Dec 2005 Casino cash: $1967391	USA Today Coaches Poll RK TEAM RECORD PTS 1 Kansas (23) 26-3 790 2 UCLA (3) 26-3 730 2 Villanova (5) 27-3 730 4 Gonzaga (1) 29-1 686 5 North Carolina 25-5 663 6 Oregon 26-4 653 7 Louisville 23-6 600 8 Arizona 26-4 585 9 Kentucky 24-5 578 10 West Virginia 23-6 478 11 Baylor 23-6 461 12 Florida 23-6 382 13 Notre Dame 22-7 334 14 Duke 22-7 315 15 Butler 23-6 314 16 Purdue 23-6 299 17 Florida State 23-6 290 18 Saint Mary's 26-3 273 19 SMU 25-4 269 20 Cincinnati 25-4 210 21 Wisconsin 22-7 185 22 Wichita State 27-4 140 23 Virginia 19-9 138 24 Iowa State 19-9 57 25 Miami 20-8 48 Others receiving votes: Creighton 44, South Carolina 25, USC 21, Middle Tennessee 20, Oklahoma State 16, Dayton 15, Minnesota 10, Maryland 9, Northwestern 8, Xavier 8, Michigan State 7, California 4, Arkansas 2, Michigan 2, VCU 1
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02-27-2017, 12:48 PM	#2434
Reerun_KC Rock Chalk Jayhawks! KU!!! Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $8301160	I see the Midwest power is back in the top 25. Shocker time
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02-27-2017, 01:02 PM	#2436
saphojunkie MVP Join Date: Aug 2011 Casino cash: $4726250	I know the UT game wasn't our best on paper or in actual results, but I will say it was the game that made me feel the most confident about our ability to win a championship this year. Jackson has ascended even more, and between he and Mason, Jackson was the better player on Saturday, which is saying something. The emergence of Coleby and the re-emergence of Bragg has a ton to do with why I feel confident. It just changes the whole landscape of the game when we can rotate three bigs through, instead of shuffling our backcourt around all game. I just felt like we played with energy and intensity, and while there were some problems with rebounding, for the most part it just felt like a great team win that never really felt in contention. I will say, however, that Jarrett Allen is the real deal. Man, we really could have used that kid this year. I don't know if we would have lost a game if he had come to KU. Love his game, and I think he should go to the NBA, where he will do nothing but improve. Allen vs. Jackson was a super fun matchup to watch, and he gave Josh all he could handle. Jackson has him when he puts it on the deck, though. Speaking of which... I wonder if Devonte reads message boards. There was a lot of chatter about how he doesn't ever attack the rim and just hangs by the three point line. Then, Saturday afternoon, he's driving to the basket and - GASP! - actually getting to the free throw line. I saw him line up for his first FT and thought, "Holy shit... I don't remember the last time he shot free throws. I know everyone else's FT routine, but can't think of his at all." Good signs, all around, I'd say. Let's just win out now and get that top seed in the tourney. UCLA is coming, and we best be ready.
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02-27-2017, 01:49 PM	#2437
Buehler445 Supporter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Scott City KS Casino cash: $2294734	I can see this being a 2007 type year where they send us to the west to play in Anaheim where UCLA is playing.
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