Dolphins working on a trade for offensive tackle Branden Albert

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Branden Albert trade won’t happen unless he lowers his price
Posted by Michael David Smith on April 21, 2013, 6:46 PM EDT
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The much-discussed potential trade of Branden Albert from the Chiefs to the Dolphins doesn’t appear likely at the price Albert is currently seeking.

Although the Chiefs and Dolphins can probably agree on compensation — the Dolphins sending a second-round pick to Kansas City — the hangup is that Albert wants the kind of money that the Dolphins aren’t willing to spend. Specifically, according to Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports, Albert wants between $8 million and $9 million a year on a long-term deal.

In other words, Albert is looking for the same kind of contract that left tackle Jake Long got from the Rams — the very contract the Dolphins wouldn’t give Long, which is why he left Miami for St. Louis.

If the Dolphins weren’t willing to pay Long that kind of money, it’s hard to see why they’d be willing to give up a second-round draft pick for the privilege of paying Albert that kind of money. So the Dolphins may need to look elsewhere for a left tackle. And Albert may have to settle for playing this season for the Chiefs, making $9.8 million, and hitting free agency next year.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Alex Smith's more likely to throw 20 picks than he is to throw 30 TDs.

Well that's just reeruned.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Yep, it can't be a lateral move or it would be like we never had a 1st round pick. If he was picked in the 10-15 range development would be allowable, with his billing he'll have to be an OT God or the pick was a waste.

only for the butthurt crowd

If we draft an OT at 1.1 and he's similar or better than Albert then it won't be a huge mistake for most people imo. They will say Albert was being a dick about his contract and the Chiefs did the best they could to replace him.

They won't be happy about it, but it won't a huge deal

The big mistake is if Geno Smith or Barkley etc turn out to be a stud.

People will be referring to failure to draft a QBotF, when they had a perfect chance, for years to come .... as long as the Chiefs suck.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Alex Smith's more likely to throw 20 picks than he is to throw 30 TDs.

If this is true then Andy Reid won't be here long.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

Fair enough.

Although, I think he has the ability to get into the top 10, which IMO, is good enough.

Frankly, I think a top 15 or so QB anymore is good enough

It is if the rest of your team is outstanding.

Which is why I'm not content with Joeckel/Fisher being top 10. They need to be elite, top 3 guys with 10 year shelf-lives. If you're capping your QB play at average to good, then you'd better be damn good everywhere else.

And if Fisher's a lateral move from Albert, we're not getting off to a good start.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Well that's just reeruned.

We really have no way of knowing how many INTs he's gonna throw.

The #1, or even #5 defense, doesn't exist in KC.

He's also moving to a more pass-based offense.

If the defense fails to meet the absurdly high expectations people on here have...Alex Smith could easily double his turnovers.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

We've gone back and forth on this in multiple threads. If the Chiefs think Smith is the answer, they should draft him. If they don't, they should avoid him. It's a simple and common sense thing, but you keep acting as if it's crazy talk.

Get over the QB thing.

You're getting stuck on this image in your head of an angry guy furiously typing out ultimatums regarding QBs in the draft.

I'm basing all of my arguments on a few key reports:

1) The Chiefs scouts and Coach Reid like Geno Smith. These are from rumblings posted from various sources

2) The Bad Guy's source told us that the Chiefs a few days ago had it narrowed down to four players: Luke Joeckel, Eric Fisher, Dion Jordan, and Geno Smith

That's good enough for me to know that the Chiefs actually do think Geno Smith can be a good QB, and that they would love to have him on their football team. It also stands to reason that even if Geno Smith isn't the best player on their big board, if the Chiefs were able to trade down to #4 and the previous picks before them went Joeckel, Fisher, Jordan, that Geno Smith would have to be the pick right there. If he weren't, then John Dorsey's draft philosophy that he has been espousing since he got here is completely full of shit, and he's probably just flying by the seat of his pants like all the other GMs in their war rooms.

The Chiefs clearly think Geno Smith is ONE answer. I happen to think it's the best answer to the QB situation given what a fantastic position he could be in as a student and mentoree.

Also, I'll get over the QB thing when this team starts to give a **** about its fans and tries to actually win something valuable.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

only for the butthurt crowd

If we draft an OT at 1.1 and he's similar or better than Albert then it won't be a huge mistake for most people imo. They will say Albert was being a dick about his contract and the Chiefs did the best they could to replace him.

They won't be happy about it, but it won't a huge deal

The big mistake is if Geno Smith or Barkley etc turn out to be a stud.

People will be referring to failure to draft a QBotF, when they had a perfect chance, for years to come .... as long as the Chiefs suck.

I don't really think so.

Personally, I don't care about Albert either way. But taking a LT with the first overall pick in the entire draft, saying he's the absolute BPA in the draft? Yeah, he needs to be more than a slight upgrade.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

only for the butthurt crowd

If we draft an OT at 1.1 and he's similar or better than Albert then it won't be a huge mistake for most people imo. They will say Albert was being a dick about his contract and the Chiefs did the best they could to replace him.

They won't be happy about it, but it won't a huge deal

The big mistake is if Geno Smith or Barkley etc turn out to be a stud.

People will be referring to failure to draft a QBotF, when they had a perfect chance, for years to come .... as long as the Chiefs suck.

As stated before that includes a Pass Rusher, WR, DB also due to sheer impact for me at least.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I think that's a bit of a reach.

If Cassel can throw 27 TDs in 15 games, Smith can throw 27 playing for Reid.

Cassel threw 21 TDs his first starting season.

Alex...not so much.

You have to admit that it's pretty laughable that Cassel's two best seasons are better, statistically, than Alex Smith's, and it's no contest. More TDs, more yards per completion, playing with worse defenses to boot.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by O.city

I'm actually expecting close to 30 from Smith, in Reid's offense, with the weapons we have.

We don't have "weapons."

We have Bowe, Charles and a bunch of guys.

Alex Smith will be doing well to hit 20 TDs.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Wonton Prejudice

We really have no way of knowing how many INTs he's gonna throw.

The #1, or even #5 defense, doesn't exist in KC.

He's also moving to a more pass-based offense.

If the defense fails to meet the absurdly high expectations people on here have...Alex Smith could easily double his turnovers.

Well that gets him to ten. And if he's in a 'pass happy offense', then he's going to be a hell of a lot more likely to get to 30 TDs, is he not?

If the guy goes out there and throws up a 1-1 TD/INT ratio, he'll either be marginalized within the offense or fired in favor of Daniel.

I could see him ending in the 12-16 range, but if so he'll have also thrown 28-35 TDs. He's a tentative decision-maker with plus accuracy on intermediate throws. That's a recipe for a guy that won't throw interceptions, even when he's shitting the bed.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

It is if the rest of your team is outstanding.

Which is why I'm not content with Joeckel/Fisher being top 10. They need to be elite, top 3 guys with 10 year shelf-lives. If you're capping your QB play at average to good, then you'd better be damn good everywhere else.

And if Fisher's a lateral move from Albert, we're not getting off to a good start.

I think it was you that brought it up, can't remember the exact wording, but was something to do with " if everyone is good, no one is good" kinda thing.

I do think elite Qb's are a multiplier, obviously, and yes, the rest of your team has to be very good.

But I don't thinks it's where it was a few eyars ago where you basically had to have "the Guy" at QB.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by O.city

I don't really think so.

Personally, I don't care about Albert either way. But taking a LT with the first overall pick in the entire draft, saying he's the absolute BPA in the draft? Yeah, he needs to be more than a slight upgrade.

come now ... if you look up butthurt in the dictionary, your avatar picture is right in the caption.

you have calmed down recently though ... kudos

There isn't a player in this draft that is worth being a top 8 pick ... they are all going to be 'reaches'. At least on paper.

I'm sure that in 3 years several players will become studs and people will bitch, but that happens EVERY year.

[RealSNR]

True or false:

If the Chiefs got a franchise QB, they would be legit contenders in the AFC.

That's what I've been hearing on here for the better part of the Pioli years. I bought into that idea at one point myself. And I still think that outside of the QB position, we're not all that far off.

Given the moves from this Chiefs regime to "win now", they seem to think the same way.

So tell me again why it doesn't make sense to take out insurance and keep your options as open as possible in order to find THE QB. Go ahead and tell me that a marginal upgrade and salary cap room at the LT position is worth more than the security and comfort that your team is far more likely to find a franchise QB in Alex Smith, Chase Daniel, or Geno Smith than they are to find a franchise QB in Alex Smith, Chase Daniel, or Ricky Stanzi/2013 shitdick rookie nobody cares about

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Wonton Prejudice

We don't have "weapons."

We have Bowe, Charles and a bunch of guys.

Alex Smith will be doing well to hit 20 TDs.

In our previous "run all the time" offense. We really don't know what they are, outside of Baldwin who IMO just isn't good, at this point.

They've never been in a real NFL offense.

Guys like Avery, Fasano, etc are good players though.