Pass defensed vs pass deflected.

[DenverChief]

Can someone please help this uninformed person plz

https://twitter.com/sportscenter/sta...67047406821377


https://twitter.com/_iiswag24x7/stat...61736544227328

Can't imbed from mobile device 😂😂

[jspchief]

It's Espn. Odds are they don't know what the **** they are talking about.

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by jspchief

It's Espn. Odds are they don't know what the **** they are talking about.

Yeah someone posted Marcus Peters stats but then this other dude (2nd link) says that there is a difference between passes defensed and passes deflected. 😂😂. I thought it would be funny to see Cpers smack him down for his dumbassery

[listopencil]

I found this:

Posted 08 November 2011 - 03:31 PM
For those that missed it there was a thread in the main forum asking about a stat change for Desmond Bishop because he wasn't credited with a pass defended on that play.

In order to help clarify how official scorers determine a pass defended I sent a contact I have with the NFL the following question:

Can you tell me what the definition or criteria that official scorers use to designate a "pass defended".


I figured some might be interested in his response, which is below:

This is the definition given to the clubs in the League’s PR Manual, I don’t know how many stat crews would have seen it.

PASSES DEFENSED — If a pass falls incomplete because of the defensive efforts of one player, that player should be credited with a pass defensed. This may come about in two principal ways. (1) A defensive player who makes contact with the football, thus preventing the intended receiver from making the catch, should be credited with a pass defensed. (2) A defensive player who tackles the intended receiver simultaneously with the arrival of the football, thus preventing the reception, should also be credited with a pass defensed.



A defensive player who neither touches the football nor tackles the receiver simultaneously with the arrival of the football ordinarily should not be credited with a pass defensed. No pass defensed credit should be given on plays on which the ball is overthrown or thrown out-of-bounds.



NOTE: In rare instances, it may be possible for two defensive players to play such equal roles in the defensing of a forward pass that it is not possible to determine which player was more responsible. In such a rare instance, credit both players with a pass defensed.



NOTE: The defensive team’s total of passes defensed must not exceed the total number of incomplete passes by the offensive team unless the rare circumstance cited in the above paragraph has occurred during the course of the game. Even then, in most instances, the defensive team’s total of passes defensed will not equal the total number of incomplete passes by the offensive team.



PLEASE NOTE: When a first defensive player defends against a pass in such a manner that he normally would be credited with a pass defensed and a second defensive player intercepts the pass, the first defensive player still should be credited with a pass defensed while the second player is credited with an interception and a pass defensed. The theory of this guideline is that the first defensive player should not be penalized because of the ensuing interception when, in fact, the first defensive player’s action may have played a major role in making the interception possible.


http://forums.thehuddle.com/index.ph...pass-defended/


So it looks like you can defend a pass without deflecting if you separate the receiver from the ball without touching it. So that's how you could defend a pass without deflecting it.

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by listopencil

I found this:

Posted 08 November 2011 - 03:31 PM
For those that missed it there was a thread in the main forum asking about a stat change for Desmond Bishop because he wasn't credited with a pass defended on that play.

In order to help clarify how official scorers determine a pass defended I sent a contact I have with the NFL the following question:

Can you tell me what the definition or criteria that official scorers use to designate a "pass defended".


I figured some might be interested in his response, which is below:

This is the definition given to the clubs in the League’s PR Manual, I don’t know how many stat crews would have seen it.

PASSES DEFENSED — If a pass falls incomplete because of the defensive efforts of one player, that player should be credited with a pass defensed. This may come about in two principal ways. (1) A defensive player who makes contact with the football, thus preventing the intended receiver from making the catch, should be credited with a pass defensed. (2) A defensive player who tackles the intended receiver simultaneously with the arrival of the football, thus preventing the reception, should also be credited with a pass defensed.



A defensive player who neither touches the football nor tackles the receiver simultaneously with the arrival of the football ordinarily should not be credited with a pass defensed. No pass defensed credit should be given on plays on which the ball is overthrown or thrown out-of-bounds.



NOTE: In rare instances, it may be possible for two defensive players to play such equal roles in the defensing of a forward pass that it is not possible to determine which player was more responsible. In such a rare instance, credit both players with a pass defensed.



NOTE: The defensive team’s total of passes defensed must not exceed the total number of incomplete passes by the offensive team unless the rare circumstance cited in the above paragraph has occurred during the course of the game. Even then, in most instances, the defensive team’s total of passes defensed will not equal the total number of incomplete passes by the offensive team.



PLEASE NOTE: When a first defensive player defends against a pass in such a manner that he normally would be credited with a pass defensed and a second defensive player intercepts the pass, the first defensive player still should be credited with a pass defensed while the second player is credited with an interception and a pass defensed. The theory of this guideline is that the first defensive player should not be penalized because of the ensuing interception when, in fact, the first defensive player’s action may have played a major role in making the interception possible.


http://forums.thehuddle.com/index.ph...pass-defended/


So it looks like you can defend a pass without deflecting if you separate the receiver from the ball without touching it. So that's how you could defend a pass without deflecting it.

By all
Means please tweet the guy and let him know how wrong he is 😂

[jspchief]

The b problem is that the espn tweet doesn't say defensed or deflected. It says "pass breakups" which is probably some bullshit stat invented by espn to push whatever rhetoric the producers wanted. Marcus Peters and the Chiefs don't sell clicks like Norman and the Panthers.

[Ming the Merciless]

The only stat they track in fantasy football, and the NFL (officially) is passes defensed....I don;t believe they even keep track of passes 'deflected' do they?

AFAIK you do not have to touch the ball to get a PD..

You can hit the player and break it up or even just be really close by....I'm pretty sure...Anyway ive never seen any stat that differentiates between these two...doesnt really matter HOW you break up the pass...

[Squalor2]

Originally Posted by DenverChief

Can someone please help this uninformed person plz

https://twitter.com/sportscenter/sta...67047406821377


https://twitter.com/_iiswag24x7/stat...61736544227328

Can't imbed from mobile device 😂😂

tl;dr you lost me at denver

[Squalor2]

Originally Posted by listopencil

I found this:

Posted 08 November 2011 - 03:31 PM
For those that missed it there was a thread in the main forum asking about a stat change for Desmond Bishop because he wasn't credited with a pass defended on that play.

In order to help clarify how official scorers determine a pass defended I sent a contact I have with the NFL the following question:

Can you tell me what the definition or criteria that official scorers use to designate a "pass defended".


I figured some might be interested in his response, which is below:

This is the definition given to the clubs in the League’s PR Manual, I don’t know how many stat crews would have seen it.

PASSES DEFENSED — If a pass falls incomplete because of the defensive efforts of one player, that player should be credited with a pass defensed. This may come about in two principal ways. (1) A defensive player who makes contact with the football, thus preventing the intended receiver from making the catch, should be credited with a pass defensed. (2) A defensive player who tackles the intended receiver simultaneously with the arrival of the football, thus preventing the reception, should also be credited with a pass defensed.



A defensive player who neither touches the football nor tackles the receiver simultaneously with the arrival of the football ordinarily should not be credited with a pass defensed. No pass defensed credit should be given on plays on which the ball is overthrown or thrown out-of-bounds.



NOTE: In rare instances, it may be possible for two defensive players to play such equal roles in the defensing of a forward pass that it is not possible to determine which player was more responsible. In such a rare instance, credit both players with a pass defensed.



NOTE: The defensive team’s total of passes defensed must not exceed the total number of incomplete passes by the offensive team unless the rare circumstance cited in the above paragraph has occurred during the course of the game. Even then, in most instances, the defensive team’s total of passes defensed will not equal the total number of incomplete passes by the offensive team.



PLEASE NOTE: When a first defensive player defends against a pass in such a manner that he normally would be credited with a pass defensed and a second defensive player intercepts the pass, the first defensive player still should be credited with a pass defensed while the second player is credited with an interception and a pass defensed. The theory of this guideline is that the first defensive player should not be penalized because of the ensuing interception when, in fact, the first defensive player’s action may have played a major role in making the interception possible.


http://forums.thehuddle.com/index.ph...pass-defended/


So it looks like you can defend a pass without deflecting if you separate the receiver from the ball without touching it. So that's how you could defend a pass without deflecting it.

sadly, this is worse

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

The only stat they track in fantasy football, and the NFL (officially) is passes defensed....I don;t believe they even keep track of passes 'deflected' do they?

AFAIK you do not have to touch the ball to get a PD..

You can hit the player and break it up or even just be really close by....I'm pretty sure...Anyway ive never seen any stat that differentiates between these two...doesnt really matter HOW you break up the pass...

no. It's on passes defensed.

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by jspchief

The b problem is that the espn tweet doesn't say defensed or deflected. It says "pass breakups" which is probably some bullshit stat invented by espn to push whatever rhetoric the producers wanted. Marcus Peters and the Chiefs don't sell clicks like Norman and the Panthers.

There is no difference per the official scoring rules. It's someone trying to be cute with semantics.