Chiefs better get a New DB fast. Denver and Wes ?

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by notorious

I am not going to get into a Jerry vs. Welker argument, but Jerry played back when a WR got raped up and down the field.

Rice would have made his numbers even more amazing playing today.

I would be amazed if Welker could even come close to what he does now in that era.

You're underrating Welker's smarts, toughness and consistency.

But that doesn't mean he's Rice. He ain't.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

You're underrating Welker's smarts, toughness and consistency.

But that doesn't mean he's Rice. He ain't.

Agree, to an extent.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

We can if they have Osweiler under center. Decker wasn't shit before Manning and he won't be much without him. Thomas was developing, but he won't be the monster he was last year without Manning.

With Manning, we were going to get our asses kicked with our without Wes Welker. Without him, the Broncos aren't that worrisome.

then we should sign Pollard and set him loose after Peyton?

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

I guarantee you New England, at the very least, would have matched this

he was offended he gave them years of great production and was given the shaft

so he gave them the shaft right back

Wes brought the offer back to NE and they didn't match it.

They offered 2 years 10 million and wouldn't budge.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Wes brought the offer back to NE and they didn't match it.

They offered 2 years 10 million and wouldn't budge.

That seems amazing, and stupid, to me.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

That seems amazing, and stupid, to me.

Yep.

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by WV

Wrong...unless it's a great one....pass rush doesn't stop Brady or Manning. Welker has nothing to do with it.

You don't get it.

Welker is the best receiver in the league when it comes to immediately getting open in a quick release, 3 step drop kind of offense. The same offense you play against a solid pass rush.

The same offense the Patriots used against every team since Welker joined them.

Remember the two games last year where Houston played the Patriots? Remember how embarassing the first game was? Houston tried to blitzkrieg Tom Brady. Welker's statline was like 73 catches for a thousand yards in that game.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Ah...so as it turns out, you don't know what the **** you're talking about.

I get it.

Carry on.

I made a mistake, it happens. Doesn't stop Welker from being the most dangerous receiver IN THIS LEAGUE TODAY, nor the only receiver to post 5 seasons with 100 catches or more, and still be in this league today, with the 2nd greatest QB to ever play.

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

I guarantee you New England, at the very least, would have matched this

he was offended he gave them years of great production and was given the shaft

so he gave them the shaft right back

That's not how it played out at all.

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Yeah, he had "only" 4, plus another with 98 and another with 92.

But let's get real, we're not comparing Welker to Rice, right, because Rice is clearly and obviously the GOAT, and Welker ain't. He isn't even the greatest of right now (though I'd say he's certainly been top 10 and probably top 5 for some of these years).

No, Welker is not the GOAT, because Welker is a SLOT receiver.

He is the GOAT Slot Receiver, and that is undoubtedly true.

But what happens when you give the GOAT Slot Receiver a contract to play with the 2nd best QB of all time, in an offense where they already have TWO solid, top 10-15 receivers?

You just eliminated the pass rush against every team you face, before ever taking a snap.

That's what just happened.

Tamba who? Justin Houston who?

We're not getting sacks on Peyton this year.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

I made a mistake, it happens. Doesn't stop Welker from being the most dangerous receiver IN THIS LEAGUE TODAY, nor the only receiver to post 5 seasons with 100 catches or more, and still be in this league today, with the 2nd greatest QB to ever play.

Jesus, you've gone back to this one.

Repeat this after me:

Wes Welker is more dangerous than Calvin Johnson, AJ Green, Julio Jones and Brandon Marshall.

Can you do that for me? Just type nothing more than that.

I need something really stupid for my signature and that should be an excellent quote.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Jesus, you've gone back to this one.

Repeat this after me:

Wes Welker is more dangerous than Calvin Johnson, AJ Green, Julio Jones and Brandon Marshall.

Can you do that for me? Just type nothing more than that.

I need something really stupid for my signature and that should be an excellent quote.

He is trying to justify his ramblings by saying that Welker is a slot receiver.

The most dangerous WR in the NFL is going to get paid no matter where he lines up.

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Jesus, you've gone back to this one.

Repeat this after me:

Wes Welker is more dangerous than Calvin Johnson, AJ Green, Julio Jones and Brandon Marshall.

Can you do that for me? Just type nothing more than that.

I need something really stupid for my signature and that should be an excellent quote.

Wes Welker is and has been the most dangerous and productive receiver in this league. He is not a possession receiver like Johnson, or Green, he is a slot receiver. He is small, and he gets wide open better than anyone in this league, and Tom Brady and the Patriots utilized that to the fullesct extent while Welker was there.

Because of this, they were able to eliminate the pass rush, created more first downs as an offense by comparison to your other receiver's teams did against common opponents, won more often, and put up more points.

It is because of Welker's skill of getting open, that Brady and that offense could do what it did against the pass rush, neutralizing pro bowlers and future hall of famers, so they could win games.

Calvin Johnson doesn't eliminate the pass rush, neither does AJ Green, Julio Jones, Roddy White, or Brandon Marshall.


You are closed minded, and thinking inside the box.

You think my claim is based on pure talent, it isn't. AJ Green is the best receiver in this league in terms of talent, period. Calvin is #2, Fitz is #3.

Those three can't touch Welker's skills at getting open in the slot to eliminate the pass rush.

Of course, you didn't think of it that way, because you don't think about the big picture.

People here are saying, "Oh, we just need to hit manning and hurt his neck to neutralize him and Welker", you won't get a chance to hit manning because he'll have already thrown the ball to Welker because he was wide open because you blitzed him and didn't cover Welker.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

Wes Welker is and has been the most dangerous and productive receiver in this league. He is not a possession receiver like Johnson, or Green, he is a slot receiver. He is small, and he gets wide open better than anyone in this league, and Tom Brady and the Patriots utilized that to the fullesct extent while Welker was there.

Because of this, they were able to eliminate the pass rush, created more first downs as an offense by comparison to your other receiver's teams did against common opponents, won more often, and put up more points.

It is because of Welker's skill of getting open, that Brady and that offense could do what it did against the pass rush, neutralizing pro bowlers and future hall of famers, so they could win games.

Calvin Johnson doesn't eliminate the pass rush, neither does AJ Green, Julio Jones, Roddy White, or Brandon Marshall.


You are closed minded, and thinking inside the box.

You think my claim is based on pure talent, it isn't. AJ Green is the best receiver in this league in terms of talent, period. Calvin is #2, Fitz is #3.

Those three can't touch Welker's skills at getting open in the slot to eliminate the pass rush.

Of course, you didn't think of it that way, because you don't think about the big picture.

People here are saying, "Oh, we just need to hit manning and hurt his neck to neutralize him and Welker", you won't get a chance to hit manning because he'll have already thrown the ball to Welker because he was wide open because you blitzed him and didn't cover Welker.

You're really going to argue that Wes Welker has a physical skill-set that no other WR in the league can duplicate?

His first step is good - it's not great. He gets open because the routes he runs are brilliantly designed, not because he's just a damn wizard with his feet.

And you're honestly going to try to argue that a slot WR eliminates the pass rush? Wake me when we're putting Tamba Hali or Justin Houston on the slot WR.

That's just an ass-backwards argument. If anyone eliminates the pass-rush in NE, it's Rob Gronkowski, who does occupy LBs. Wes Welker does little more than draw the attention of overmatched Nickle corners. In that regard, he's no different than any slot WR; even Steve Breaston in the slot was getting teams to take a LBer off the field and bring in a nickle DB.

But hey, I respect the attempt to spin your way clear of a bullshit statement.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

Wes Welker is and has been the most dangerous and productive receiver in this league. He is not a possession receiver like Johnson, or Green, he is a slot receiver. He is small, and he gets wide open better than anyone in this league, and Tom Brady and the Patriots utilized that to the fullesct extent while Welker was there.

Because of this, they were able to eliminate the pass rush, created more first downs as an offense by comparison to your other receiver's teams did against common opponents, won more often, and put up more points.

It is because of Welker's skill of getting open, that Brady and that offense could do what it did against the pass rush, neutralizing pro bowlers and future hall of famers, so they could win games.

Calvin Johnson doesn't eliminate the pass rush, neither does AJ Green, Julio Jones, Roddy White, or Brandon Marshall.


You are closed minded, and thinking inside the box.

You think my claim is based on pure talent, it isn't. AJ Green is the best receiver in this league in terms of talent, period. Calvin is #2, Fitz is #3.

Those three can't touch Welker's skills at getting open in the slot to eliminate the pass rush.

Of course, you didn't think of it that way, because you don't think about the big picture.

People here are saying, "Oh, we just need to hit manning and hurt his neck to neutralize him and Welker", you won't get a chance to hit manning because he'll have already thrown the ball to Welker because he was wide open because you blitzed him and didn't cover Welker.

, Calvin, Johnson, Green and Roddy have all lined up in the slot.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Sorter

, Calvin, Johnson, Green and Roddy have all lined up in the slot.

Nope, Wes Welker has magical mystery sauce that makes him better at shaking a CB in 2 steps than Calvin !@#$ing Johnson is.

CJ can't play the slot. Because Exoter said so.