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Old 11-25-2016, 07:48 PM   #1
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how much are we truly weakened though? Our military is not one to be funked with to this date.
We aren't weakened at all.

The new F-35b was made for one reason and one reason only, keep Boeing's factories busy. The American taxpayers have to pay yearly rent to our manufacturers so they don't take their ball and go home.

Same reason we have to stay involved in wars all the time.

You don't really think we are rotating wars constantly to keep our country safe, do you?
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Old 11-25-2016, 07:59 PM   #2
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We aren't weakened at all.

This was made for one reason and one reason only, keep Boeing's factories busy. The American taxpayers have to pay yearly rent to our manufacturers so they don't take their ball and go home.

Same reason we have to stay involved in wars all the time.

You don't really think we are rotating wars constantly to keep our country safe, do you?
Were you stoned or drunk or seeking attention when you typed this nonsense?
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Old 11-25-2016, 08:06 PM   #3
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Were you stoned or drunk or seeking attention when you typed this nonsense?
if you don't think it's true then prove it instead of crying like the little bitch than you are.
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Old 11-25-2016, 08:24 PM   #4
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if you don't think it's true then prove it instead of crying like the little bitch than you are.
I don't argue with posters who don't have an aerospace or military background or knowledge of history who selectively finds finds pretty charts to match their limited knowledge.

You are wasting electronic link...and my time.
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Old 11-25-2016, 08:08 PM   #5
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Laz and Rob sleep safely at night, and eat well by day... thanks to our incredible expenditure of money on cutting edge technology

I have no desire to argue about it with them, sleep well... while rough and well equipped men stand by to keep them fat and happy
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Old 11-25-2016, 08:13 PM   #6
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PBS, on military affairs Mr Laz?

Always liked you, bro... lets talk football and girls
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Old 11-26-2016, 02:15 AM   #7
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Laz and Rob sleep safely at night, and eat well by day... thanks to our incredible expenditure of money on cutting edge technology

I have no desire to argue about it with them, sleep well... while rough and well equipped men stand by to keep them fat and happy
Don't side mouth backhanded comments, bro. I asked an open question. How "weak" or how did Obama stifle our growth in our military sector and make us more vulnerable? Generally curious, I don't have a background in military..only one I can recall in my family was my uncle and he was killed.
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Old 11-26-2016, 09:03 AM   #8
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Laz and Rob sleep safely at night, and eat well by day... thanks to our incredible expenditure of money on cutting edge technology

I have no desire to argue about it with them, sleep well... while rough and well equipped men stand by to keep them fat and happy
Actually the two biggest factors by far for American security are called The Atlantic and The Pacific. Oceans make supreme walls.
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Old 11-26-2016, 07:52 AM   #9
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You guys are going to send a badass thread to DC.


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Old 11-26-2016, 07:58 AM   #10
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Let's get this back on "track".

I know this isn't exactly rare, but it's still cool:

Panzerjäger Tiger Sd. Kfz. 184. AKA Elefant

The Germans wanted an anti-tank weapon with punch, so they threw an 88 onto the leftover failed Tiger I Porche hulls to get this beast.

It had a few glaring faults. Way too heavy for it's engine an final drive, and it also lack a small caliber, infantry defense machine gun. How in the hell could they leave that off?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elefant



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Old 11-26-2016, 11:32 AM   #11
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How depleted have tank forces become in the 21st Century now that air power is the goal of all, particularly considering the next gen of laser guided munitions and the such?
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Old 11-26-2016, 12:32 PM   #12
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How depleted have tank forces become in the 21st Century now that air power is the goal of all, particularly considering the next gen of laser guided munitions and the such?
The Army has been ringing the alarm bells about our tanks for a while now, we need a follow up to the Abrams badly

Compared to Russias new Armata, our stuff is found wanting... not only do they have a bigger main gun, but its in an unmanned/autoloading turret, their crew compartment is very well armored and is isolated from the rest of the tank in case of a hit that cooks off their munitions, and perhaps most importantly they have whats called "active protection systems"... basically an anti-missile missile system that tracks incoming rounds and fires a missile of its own to destroy it

http://armedupdate.blogspot.com/2015...14-armata.html

Something on Active Protection
http://breakingdefense.com/2016/03/m...sraeli-trophy/

And here is a perfect example of why we need AP on our tanks, todays high tech anti-tank weapons are just too good for our current armor, watch this Saudi Abrams go up in flames immediately in Yemen...
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Old 11-26-2016, 02:58 PM   #13
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Tanks are a relic of the past, air power and urban warfare have rendered them just about useless.
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Old 11-26-2016, 03:14 PM   #14
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Tanks are a relic of the past, air power and urban warfare have rendered them just about useless.
I would think we need to be prepared for any kind of war, including more traditional ground battles with peer adversaries... nothing dominates the ground like armor and artillery

http://www.nationalsecurity.news/201...th-russia.html
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Old 11-26-2016, 07:57 PM   #15
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Tanks are a relic of the past, air power and urban warfare have rendered them just about useless.
According to whom?
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