Chiefs Bob Suttons Defense actually leads the league in sacks - Page 16

Hog's Gone Fishin · 11-14-2018, 05:50 PM

Hard to believe

http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/t...nse/sort/sacks

DJ's left nut · 11-20-2018, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

It's possible. I figure with 2 weeks here, if he's not cleared after that, he's done. But I thought I read somewhere he was doing better? Maybe not?

Anyway, we shall see.

I was happy with the front 7 last night though. They need another DL that can really rush the passer. Also, holy shit Aaron Donald might be the best DT I've ever seen. Like, is he better than Reggie White?

If you've seen that, it's good news.

I've seen a media blackout on the guy; I've heard nothing since he was injured.

I know Cam Erving is going to take some abuse for last night but jesus - Donald is a monster. I thought Erving did okay all things considered. I just don't know how the hell you stop that guy.

**The Franchise** · 11-20-2018, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

If you've seen that, it's good news.

I've seen a media blackout on the guy; I've heard nothing since he was injured.

I know Cam Erving is going to take some abuse for last night but jesus - Donald is a monster. I thought Erving did okay all things considered. I just don't know how the hell you stop that guy.

Triple team him and then watch as someone else sacks your QB.

mnchiefsguy · 11-20-2018, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Lucas is trash bud

Can't get any worse than Parker though. How do we know Lucas is trash when he hardly plays?

DJ's left nut · 11-20-2018, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by The Pest

Triple team him and then watch as someone else sacks your QB.

He's Chris Jones strength with Houston's get-off and absolutely perfect pad-level.

I mean how does that exist on a man that big? He simply never loses a snap because there's not a weakness there. Even if you play him perfectly, he's just stronger and faster than you are. The ONLY thing you can do is provide help but it's not like he's going to announce where he's going so you have to make the best protection calls you can and hope you guessed right.

If you don't, he's gonna end up singled up and he's going to win the snap regardless of how well the other guy plays. It's like Federer back at his apex - it didn't matter how good you were or how well you played that day. If he played to his ability, you would lose. You can play the game of your life and if he simply plays his A game (not an A+ day, just has a good day), you had no chance. All you could do was make it respectable.

I can't wrap my mind around how frustrating that would have to be. You're a world class player; among the best few dozen people in the WORLD at what you do. And the only hope you have for succeeding at your job that day is someone else helping you out or the other dude having the flu.

DJ's left nut · 11-20-2018, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy

Can't get any worse than Parker though. How do we know Lucas is trash when he hardly plays?

Parker seemed caught in the middle a lot.

Again - hard game to figure out. It wasn't his usual game full of stand-out errors but I felt like he was often lost in space; not enough depth on his drop or driving too hard on underneath routes.

He looked like a hitter who's timing is all ****ed up; 'caught in the rocking chair' to use baseball parlance. Behind the fastball, ahead of the changeup - pretty much just off across the board.

He wasn't in complete meltdown mode like he's been at times this season, he just seemed to be fighting it all day.

mnchiefsguy · 11-20-2018, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Parker seemed caught in the middle a lot.

Again - hard game to figure out. It wasn't his usual game full of stand-out errors but I felt like he was often lost in space; not enough depth on his drop or driving too hard on underneath routes.

He looked like a hitter who's timing is all ****ed up; 'caught in the rocking chair' to use baseball parlance. Behind the fastball, ahead of the changeup - pretty much just off across the board.

He wasn't in complete meltdown mode like he's been at times this season, he just seemed to be fighting it all day.

Yeah. My point was more along the line of we know how bad Parker is in general. Lucas has show some flashes of good play here and there, but Sutton seems to give Parker and Murray much longer rope than he does Lucas. It takes too long for Sutton to give players a chance...he practically has to be forced to do it, and the excuse we always here is that his system is "too complicated" to learn. That is on the coach. He needs to change his scheme to utilize the best talent available, instead of the insanity of throwing players like Parker out there time and time again and expecting different results.

O.city · 11-20-2018, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

He's Chris Jones strength with Houston's get-off and absolutely perfect pad-level.

I mean how does that exist on a man that big? He simply never loses a snap because there's not a weakness there. Even if you play him perfectly, he's just stronger and faster than you are. The ONLY thing you can do is provide help but it's not like he's going to announce where he's going so you have to make the best protection calls you can and hope you guessed right.

If you don't, he's gonna end up singled up and he's going to win the snap regardless of how well the other guy plays. It's like Federer back at his apex - it didn't matter how good you were or how well you played that day. If he played to his ability, you would lose. You can play the game of your life and if he simply plays his A game (not an A+ day, just has a good day), you had no chance. All you could do was make it respectable.

I can't wrap my mind around how frustrating that would have to be. You're a world class player; among the best few dozen people in the WORLD at what you do. And the only hope you have for succeeding at your job that day is someone else helping you out or the other dude having the flu.

He's so ****ing low to the ground, he's so damn strong and quick.

It's fun to watch man. It sucks when he just wrecks a game plan but **** man, it's just awesome.

DJ's left nut · 11-20-2018, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy

Yeah. My point was more along the line of we know how bad Parker is in general. Lucas has show some flashes of good play here and there, but Sutton seems to give Parker and Murray much longer rope than he does Lucas. It takes too long for Sutton to give players a chance...he practically has to be forced to do it, and the excuse we always here is that his system is "too complicated" to learn. That is on the coach. He needs to change his scheme to utilize the best talent available, instead of the insanity of throwing players like Parker out there time and time again and expecting different results.

I don't think it's fair to lump Murray in with Parker. I don't think Murray was bad yesterday.

And I agree - send Lucas out there for Parker at this point. I don't get it at all.

I wasn't disagreeing with your point; just building on it a bit. It was a different sort of bad for Parker - kinda suggests that 'good' just isn't something he can do anymore. When he's not getting roasted, he's still caught in the middle.

With any luck the bye will force some changes but I kinda doubt it. Sutton DID make some fairly significant changes in the rotations starting around week 10 last season so maybe we'll see those start to ramp up now as well.

**dirk digler** · 11-20-2018, 12:09 PM

Ragland had only 8 snaps which is a good thing, but Kpass didn't play and Speaks only played 19.

Some of that though is credit to the Rams for running up tempo and not allowing subs. But I just get the feeling Bob doesn't like to rotate guys out much.

Which brings me back to a point I made in the game thread, why don't one of the D-Lineman get a mysterious cramp to slow things down?

O.city · 11-20-2018, 12:10 PM

They stay in the same personnel grouping so you can't substitute.

**The Franchise** · 11-20-2018, 12:10 PM

Not sure about KPass but Speaks wasn't going to be an asset in that game. He's not a speed rusher at all.

Pitt Gorilla · 11-20-2018, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

It's just an impossible line for a 23 yr old quarterback to walk.

Alex loses that game 34-17. The Chiefs NEEDED Mahomes to be Mahomes for the first 57 minutes of that game. The pick 6 and the first strip sack were both really bad, I'll grant you, but being 'Alexian' wouldn't have avoided those; they were just mistakes that everyone makes.

Ask yourself this - how many QBs presently in the league would've won that game for the Chiefs? 1? 3? I won't really listen to any argument past that.

Brees and Rodgers are the two guys who MAYBE win that ballgame. Neither of them attempt that last pass (Rodgers may have attempted the pick before it; Mahomes got hit and it fluttered - happens to Rodgers as well). Rodgers takes the strips/sacks as well, IMO. Brady probably doesn't, but Brady also doesn't hit some of those TD tosses that Mahomes hit.

People are bagging Mahomes for not being perfect but even the greatest QBs in NFL history are rarely perfect. Maybe Brees wins that game, but Brees also doesn't have the mobility to have saved some of the plays Mahomes saved.

What people are demanding is that a 23 year old Mahomes be HoF caliber RIGHT NOW. That he be the best version of himself right this very instant. Holy shit, folks - lets get ahold of ourselves.

Mahomes wasn't great yesterday but there's also not a quarterback in football I'd have rather had than him in that game. What you'd have needed was some super-hybrid of Rodgers mobility, Brady's internal clock and Brees's preternatural accuracy. You'd have needed some insane super-quarterback because the degree of difficulty for Mahomes last night was immense.

Or you have the 23 yr old who was a Scandrick pick away from winning it on his own.

I said it in another thread but I cannot for the life of me figure out who to be upset with right now. I think the D played admirably. I think Mahomes played extremely well. I think the 'Andy's clock management' crowd is just getting riled up for no reason (you can't slow-play when you're leading; if you can take the lead, take it. If you're tied, go ahead and slow-play).

It was a road loss in a packed 100,000 seat stadium to a SB team with a hot QB of their own. The was an historic final score, but in the end it was a 3 point loss that is a likely win if Mahomes isn't getting hit as he throws on the ball to Conley. I just....whatever. I can't be upset about that.

agree with this 100%. Mahomes was Mahomes, and that’s exactly what we needed. He’ll learn, get better, and fall on the sword when he makes mistakes. That’s just about perfect.

Gravedigger · 11-20-2018, 12:14 PM

Putting Sorenson on the line against Everett instead of playing him five yards off so he could run with him was a glaring mistake of Bob Sutton last night on the go ahead touchdown. Sorenson isn't as fast as Everett so you can't play him at the line unless he's going to bump the hell out of Everett in the first five yards, which Danny Boy barely laid a finger on him.

mnchiefsguy · 11-20-2018, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I don't think it's fair to lump Murray in with Parker. I don't think Murray was bad yesterday.

And I agree - send Lucas out there for Parker at this point. I don't get it at all.

I wasn't disagreeing with your point; just building on it a bit. It was a different sort of bad for Parker - kinda suggests that 'good' just isn't something he can do anymore. When he's not getting roasted, he's still caught in the middle.

With any luck the bye will force some changes but I kinda doubt it. Sutton DID make some fairly significant changes in the rotations starting around week 10 last season so maybe we'll see those start to ramp up now as well.

I can agree with that. Murray is less of a dumpster fire than he was.

If Eric Berry can somehow get on the field by the end of the season, I think a Berry/Lucas/Murray combo would be good enough to get us to the promised land.

Pitt Gorilla · 11-20-2018, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Parker seemed caught in the middle a lot.

Again - hard game to figure out. It wasn't his usual game full of stand-out errors but I felt like he was often lost in space; not enough depth on his drop or driving too hard on underneath routes.

He looked like a hitter who's timing is all ****ed up; 'caught in the rocking chair' to use baseball parlance. Behind the fastball, ahead of the changeup - pretty much just off across the board.

He wasn't in complete meltdown mode like he's been at times this season, he just seemed to be fighting it all day.

He’s far to slow to have mental hiccups. At that point, he’s done.

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Gravedigger Plays to win the game! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lees Summit Casino cash: $7293101	Putting Sorenson on the line against Everett instead of playing him five yards off so he could run with him was a glaring mistake of Bob Sutton last night on the go ahead touchdown. Sorenson isn't as fast as Everett so you can't play him at the line unless he's going to bump the hell out of Everett in the first five yards, which Danny Boy barely laid a finger on him.
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