Our (not so good) cap situation for 2017

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Alright, so it's another long Sunday without football, and while I don't want to look past this year too much, have any of you noticed our current amount of cap space for next offseason?

According to Over The Cap, we are sitting with a shade under 6 million in available space for 2017. I'm not sure it's 100% accurate, but it's gotta be close.

This is without Eric Berry or Dontari Poe under contract, too. Now, we know it's an issue Dorsey has to address and he has shown in the past that he will, but how? What would you do? Here's the link to tinker with all of the different options of moves that can be made. http://overthecap.com/calculator/kansas-city-chiefs/

Personally, I think move number one is to get that Fisher cap number down with an extension. A lot of the other moves are going to depend on how certain guys fare this season, but one that stands out is Mauga's cap number. It'd be really nice to see March or Wilson take his job and make him expendable next offseason. Also, you have the Jamaal dilemma, who would instantly free up 7 million, or Colquitt who frees up over 4 million... hell, Tyler Bray even approaches 2 million.

What do you think Dorsey does to save the world this time? Discuss

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Hali is most likely gone. I know myself and others were kind of expecting that until the Houston injury threatened part of his season.

People on here have been predicting Hali being cut for years now. I think the Chiefs see things different.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-ci...fs/tamba-hali/

Why would they sign him to a 3 year deal if they plan on cutting him? That would be a lot of dead money.

Same with DJ. They will retire as Chiefs and go in the Ring of Honor together.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Crying? You know what? **** you. You've been a gigantic dickhead all year.

I've said this before and I'll say it again: When the Chiefs sucked, your constant bitching and whining was somewhat relevant.

But from 2013-2015? No, not at all.

If you want to bitch, go ahead and bitch. But don't pretend that I just go off on anyone and everyone, because it's complete fallacy. But hey, whatever makes you happy, which currently is living in denial about your rampant dumbassery.

But hey, kudos for proving you're a dumb**** that lives in the past.

Glory Days!

Great post!

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

People on here have been predicting Hali being cut for years now. I think the Chiefs see things different.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-ci...fs/tamba-hali/

Why would they sign him to a 3 year deal if they plan on cutting him? That would be a lot of dead money.

Same with DJ. They will retire as Chiefs and go in the Ring of Honor together.

Hali has been slowing down the last couple of years he will turn 33 during the season. It all depends on how much more he slows down this season.
It might be hard to justify $8.5M for his production when he will be 34 years old. Hali has a huge heart and has always played as hard as he could but father time doesn't stop. He may retire instead of being cut who knows.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Hali has been slowing down the last couple of years he will turn 33 during the season. It all depends on how much more he slows down this season.
It might be hard to justify $8.5M for his production when he will be 34 years old. Hali has a huge heart and has always played as hard as he could but father time doesn't stop. He may retire instead of being cut who knows.

2017 draft has a lot of good OLB prospects. Draft one early as the #3 OLB.

Best case scenario: you have Ford, Houston, healthy Tamba and an early draft pick as great depth.

Worst case scenario: Ford busts, Tamba has to retire and you have an early round OLB to step in.

Not bad

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Hali has been slowing down the last couple of years he will turn 33 during the season. It all depends on how much more he slows down this season.
It might be hard to justify $8.5M for his production when he will be 34 years old. Hali has a huge heart and has always played as hard as he could but father time doesn't stop. He may retire instead of being cut who knows.

Do you realize that if the Chiefs cut Hali, they take a $7.3 million dollar cap charge?

And while Hali may be slowing a bit, he was a Pro Bowler last year and had more sacks, in two less games, than 2014.

Besides that, he's a mentor and a great lockerroom leader.

The Chiefs would be foolish to cut him and take that cap charge when he's able to help the team.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Do you realize that if the Chiefs cut Hali, they take a $7.3 million dollar cap charge?

And while Hali may be slowing a bit, he was a Pro Bowler last year and had more sacks, in two less games, than 2014.

Besides that, he's a mentor and a great lockerroom leader.

The Chiefs would be foolish to cut him and take that cap charge when he's able to help the team.

Yes I realize cutting him would leave us with that dead money. Cutting him is not something I want, but I do see as a possibility. He had a half a sack more last season. He also had 10 less tackles. According to http://www.nfl.com/player/tambahali/2506883/careerstats he only missed one game. He played in the oakland game week 16. He just didn't start. He also didn't start our playoff game against Houston.
He is a great locker room guy and a leader on the team.
Whether he retires or gets cut probably mostly depends on his ability to play at a high enough level this season combined with the play of others at OLB.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I just want camp to get here so we can see who is going to win some jobs.

2 guard positions
2 WR positions
DL rotation
ILB next to DJ
2 corner positions

But the thing is they aren't 'holes'. Just jobs on a good football team that have competition. I can't wait for preseason, yeah, I said it.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Yes I realize cutting him would leave us with that dead money. Cutting him is not something I want, but I do see as a possibility. He had a half a sack more last season. He also had 10 less tackles. According to http://www.nfl.com/player/tambahali/2506883/careerstats he only missed one game. He played in the oakland game week 16. He just didn't start. He also didn't start our playoff game against Houston.
He is a great locker room guy and a leader on the team.
Whether he retires or gets cut probably mostly depends on his ability to play at a high enough level this season combined with the play of others at OLB.

The point being made is that the savings of just over a million in cap space is not worth what Hali still brings to the team. Even if he ends up just as a rotational player by year's end, which would actually be ideal if it means Ford is playing well, he still brings more than a million dollars worth of leadership and ability.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Do you realize that if the Chiefs cut Hali, they take a $7.3 million dollar cap charge?

And while Hali may be slowing a bit, he was a Pro Bowler last year and had more sacks, in two less games, than 2014.

Besides that, he's a mentor and a great lockerroom leader.

The Chiefs would be foolish to cut him and take that cap charge when he's able to help the team.

It was foolish to sign Hali.

But the ink's dry so you just live with it. Yeah, you don't cut the guy to save $1.5 million in cap space; there are far more sensible ways to make things fit than that.

Hali's probably not a $7 million player the next 2 years, but he's damn sure worth more than the $1+ million you'd save by cutting him. Hali and DJ are here for 2 more years, likewise with Smith.

And after that it's fair to say that all bets are off. The window on THIS version of this team probably does close fairly soon. The response isn't to argue otherwise, it's to ask who gives a ****? Time remains undefeated and untied; all teams will eventually turn over and the next 2 seasons will see the departure of some very long-term Chiefs....and?

The NFL is hard. Winning at this level is hard. Dorsey will have to do a good job EVERY year to keep this team succeeding, just as pretty much all GMs do.

I'll worry about 2018 in 2018. This version of this team has a 2 year window to worry about and after that who the hell knows what we'll have. But our GM is a pretty smart guy with nothing in his history to suggest that he's just gonna get dumb. There may be a mis-step here and there; a stumble for a season or two - again, the NFL is hard. But this is a good regime; they'll deal with the realities of age and a cap league and they'll come out the other side better than most.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

The point being made is that the savings of just over a million in cap space is not worth what Hali still brings to the team. Even if he ends up just as a rotational player by year's end, which would actually be ideal if it means Ford is playing well, he still brings more than a million dollars worth of leadership and ability.

So you want to pay a rotational level player $8.5M?

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

I just want camp to get here so we can see who is going to win some jobs.

2 guard positions
2 WR positions
DL rotation
ILB next to DJ
2 corner positions

But the thing is they aren't 'holes'. Just jobs on a good football team that have competition. I can't wait for preseason, yeah, I said it.

QB-Alex
RB-JC---West/Ware
FB-Sherman
LT-Fisher
LG-Ehinger
C-Morse
RG-LDT
RT-Schwartz
TE-Kelce
WR-Maclin
WR-Conley/slot---Streater

DE-Bailey
NT-Poe/--Jones rotates at all positions
DE-Howard
OLB-Ford
ILB-DJ
ILB-March
OLB-Tamba/don't think Houston will start week 1. Will rotate on few snaps
CB-Peters
CB-Russell/slot---Gaines
SS-Berry/#3 S--Murray
FS-Parker

PR-Hill

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The NFL is hard. Winning at this level is hard. Dorsey will have to do a good job EVERY year to keep this team succeeding, just as pretty much all GMs do.

Next year is already being heralded as a great year for edge pass rushers. The Chiefs will have plenty of ammo to move up or to just grab a couple of guys. IF a player like March, Alexander and Wilson can become legitimate a starter, Dorsey's job just became much easier.

Dwight Freeney had 8 sacks in 317 snaps last year at age 35. Hali had 6.5 in 857 snaps while dealing with a hobbled knee.

If the Chiefs can reduce his snap count, he'll probably become more effective over the next two seasons. His deal is really a two year, $12 million contract and if he can provide a minimum of 6 sacks a year, the deal will look okay in 2018.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

So you want to pay a rotational level player $8.5M?

He's already signed. They're not going to cut him and eat $7.3 million, regardless of whether or not he's a rotational player or a starter.

[O.city]

IIRC, Hali had a bunch of pressures last year.

Can interpret that two ways.
A. He still can put pressure on the QB and pressure breaks pipes.

B. He has slowed down enough that he just can't get home anymore.

Hopefully the healthy knee will help, but age doesn't stop for any player.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

So you want to pay a rotational level player $8.5M?

It doesn't matter what he's paid, he's much more valuable at that price than the mere 1.5 million you'll get to make him a June 1st cut.

Who knows man, for all we know Tamba does what Dumervil did a couple seasons ago and his production goes way up because he's playing less snaps. That's what Tamba talked about doing himself in his interview after signing.

This could turn out to be a really good, or bad contract. But we won't know until after two years.