Science What Are Your Thoughts On Motion?

Sorter · 07-22-2016, 10:23 PM

My question to you fine people of ChiefsPlanet is this:

Do you think that offensive motion in football (not to be confused with shifts) is advantageous or merely a waste of time and effort?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-22-2016, 10:27 PM

I don't mind it. I would imagine that it increases the effectiveness of pick routes and makes it easier to flood zones, but surely it comes with an increase in procedure penalties. However, this has not been verified with any data, just a hunch.

**LoneWolf** · 07-22-2016, 10:37 PM

I always thought one of the advantages of using motion was to help identify the defense pre-snap.

**cdcox** · 07-22-2016, 10:38 PM

Ask Sorter. He knows more football than just about anyone on the board.

One thing it does is reveal zone vs man.

Giving the D more to think about and prepare for is advantageous to the offense, as long as they are well prepared in their system.

On a player level, it would seem to depend a lot on match ups. A WR with a really good move off the line might be best from a still start, where a long strider might benefit from motion. DBs factor into match ups as well.

Sorter · 07-22-2016, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

Ask Sorter.

I'd prefer not to.

**Baby Lee** · 07-22-2016, 10:45 PM

You mean this offensive motion?

Sorter · 07-22-2016, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

You mean this offensive motion?

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Discuss Thrower · 07-22-2016, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

My question to you fine people of ChiefsPlanet is this:

Do you think that offensive motion in football (not to be confused with shifts) is advantageous or merely a waste of time and effort?

It's a presnap version of play action, in my layman's opinion. Same advantages, same disadvantages.

Demonpenz · 07-22-2016, 11:56 PM

It is ****ing a beautiful thing to watch a TE go in motion and change the strong side of the offense then you see a backer take two steps to go over the TE and the MLB shift to a game and maybe the other backer slide in or out. Football man. All the feels.

In58men · 07-23-2016, 12:11 AM

Motion worked out for Manning pretty well.

**RealSNR** · 07-23-2016, 12:21 AM

I always kind of thought that all the effort Vermeil and Saunders put into getting their clockwork offense to run the right pre-snap motions was kind of a waste. That offense was so efficient, effective, and confusing as it was that it didn't really need the motion aspect.

**Ming the Merciless** · 07-23-2016, 12:23 AM

I never really thought about the differences of why would you call amotion vs a shift before......

A motion just seems like a shift where the receiver doesnt set? So a motion seems like a type of shift to me....

to try to get a running start?

Demonpenz · 07-23-2016, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

I always kind of thought that all the effort Vermeil and Saunders put into getting their clockwork offense to run the right pre-snap motions was kind of a waste. That offense was so efficient, effective, and confusing as it was that it didn't really need the motion aspect.

The shift was dumb when TG would line up at fullback. I never actually saw him stay there for any play. So they would come out with TG at full back and then they would shift and of course TG would go to TE and the defense did jack shit to adjust. Then of course EK would just burn everyone 1v1

listopencil · 07-23-2016, 01:24 AM

I like having the option. Part of the advantage is psychological. Trying to get the D to pay attention to the wrong thing. It's just one tool in the box.

Hoopsdoc · 07-23-2016, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf

I always thought one of the advantages of using motion was to help identify the defense pre-snap.

I always thought this.

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