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Old 03-26-2015, 11:30 AM   #1
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But not smoothly enough for the passengers not to notice, right?
Believe it or not, yes, it can be done. Presuming they aren't looking out the windows.

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Old 03-26-2015, 05:50 PM   #2
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They'd notice their drinks spilling over, ties floating in mid-air, etc...
Not really. A proper barrel roll will be a continuous 1 G maneuver.



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Old 03-26-2015, 10:56 AM   #3
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I remember from class (19 years ago, mind you ) that if an airliner could achieve a barrel at a consistent, smooth rate the passengers would never know it.


If the decent was very slow upon entry, the passengers probably couldn't tell except for the throttles being pulled back to avoid overspeeding the airplane.



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Old 03-26-2015, 11:01 AM   #4
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The latest article indicates that the co-pilot never responded, and that his breathing was steady. The pilot was on a video system yelling at him, so I wonder if the pilot could tell that he was conscious.

The button pushing thing is the wild card, but it still sounds to me like the copilot could have been unconscious. However, that would be wildly bad luck to have it happen when the pilot stepped out.

I guess I don't know the door situation, either. If the copilot jammed it so the pilot couldn't get in, that's a clear indicator.

I wonder where the "down" button is on the panel.
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Old 03-26-2015, 11:03 AM   #5
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The latest article indicates that the co-pilot never responded, and that his breathing was steady. The pilot was on a video system yelling at him, so I wonder if the pilot could tell that he was conscious.

The button pushing thing is the wild card, but it still sounds to me like the copilot could have been unconscious. However, that would be wildly bad luck to have it happen when the pilot stepped out.

I guess I don't know the door situation, either. If the copilot jammed it so the pilot couldn't get in, that's a clear indicator.

I wonder where the "down" button is on the panel.
Doesn't appear so.

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Old 03-26-2015, 11:07 AM   #6
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Do we know the breathing they hear is the co-pilot. Maybe Pilot was lax with rules and left the door ajar a bit. A passenger up to no good slips in lock it behind forces copilot to put it in decent. Then offs copilot and takes over for finale crash.

Hot sturdy are these doors? I know they were fortified after 911 but how much force could it withstand. Seems with 150 passenger in desperate fight for there life some could have teamed up with pilot to ram it open. Seems very planed to me.
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Old 03-26-2015, 11:10 AM   #7
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Do we know the breathing they hear is the co-pilot. Maybe Pilot was lax with rules and left the door ajar a bit. A passenger up to no good slips in lock it behind forces copilot to put it in decent. Then offs copilot and takes over for finale crash.

Hot sturdy are these doors? I know they were fortified after 911 but how much force could it withstand. Seems with 150 passenger in desperate fight for there life some could have teamed up with pilot to ram it open. Seems very planed to me.
That seems very plausible..............
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Do we know the breathing they hear is the co-pilot. Maybe Pilot was lax with rules and left the door ajar a bit. A passenger up to no good slips in lock it behind forces copilot to put it in decent. Then offs copilot and takes over for finale crash.

Hot sturdy are these doors? I know they were fortified after 911 but how much force could it withstand. Seems with 150 passenger in desperate fight for there life some could have teamed up with pilot to ram it open. Seems very planed to me.
They already confirmed that the co-pilot was alone.
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Old 03-26-2015, 11:48 AM   #9
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They already confirmed that the co-pilot was alone.
And how does the flight voice recorder determine this?
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And how does the flight voice recorder determine this?
pilots and crew have a code they can punch in to access the flight deck, but this can be overridden by the pilot or co-pilot to keep everyone out. No one else would know how to do that.
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And how does the flight voice recorder determine this?
If they could hear the pounding on the door, they would hear someone coming in and killing the co-pilot. Unless it was a Ninja. Which is unlikely.
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If they could hear the pounding on the door, they would hear someone coming in and killing the co-pilot. Unless it was a Ninja. Which is unlikely.
that too, if there was any kind of struggle, the voice recorder would have heard it.
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If they could hear the pounding on the door, they would hear someone coming in and killing the co-pilot. Unless it was a Ninja. Which is unlikely.
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If they could hear the pounding on the door, they would hear someone coming in and killing the co-pilot. Unless it was a Ninja. Which is unlikely.
Ninja's? I hadn't thought about that. Something to consider.........
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If they could hear the pounding on the door, they would hear someone coming in and killing the co-pilot. Unless it was a Ninja. Which is unlikely.
Sky Ninjas?

We're ****ed.


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