Chiefs Stanzi is terrible - Page 13

**Dave Lane** · 07-30-2012, 08:30 PM

At least according to Jayice Pearson and the hosts of the "Big Show". Jayice called him garbage and said its obvious Cassel is way better than Quinn who is way better than Stanzi and "was obvious from" camp that Stanzi couldn't be taken seriously as a replacement for Quinn let alone Cassel.

What gives I haven't seen any reports that are that bad about Stanzi and yet a former Chiefs Cornerback called him garbage and said we should get Garrard or Young instead. What gives? Any other reports he's looking that shaky?

**Rausch** · 07-31-2012, 04:34 PM

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DT, Smith and Hasty

**** Kneel Smith...

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-31-2012, 04:35 PM

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Trezelle Jenkins, Ryan Sims, Mike Cloud, Greg Hill, Jessie Haynes, Brody Croyle...Glen Dorsey, Tyson Jackson...

Reerun_KC · 07-31-2012, 04:35 PM

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**** Kneel Smith...

Yeah was pretty pissed off when he had to leave to win a Super Bowl...

**DeezNutz** · 07-31-2012, 04:36 PM

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Whose career has been "wasted" in Kansas City?

You know the intent here. It's not a "wasted career," as a guy like Gonzo has had a fantastic one. But they're wasted opportunities.

The '93-'98 were absolutely wasteful in this sense, and Pioli is working diligently to reconstruct the team using Carl's blueprint.

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-31-2012, 04:44 PM

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You know the intent here. It's not a "wasted career," as a guy like Gonzo has had a fantastic one. But they're wasted opportunities.

The '93-'98 were absolutely wasteful in this sense, and Pioli is working diligently to reconstruct the team using Carl's blueprint.

The difference between Carl's first five years and Pioli's first five years is that Carl and Marty really tried hard to find a solution at QB. They had DeBerg and brought in Kreig. They traded for Joe Montana, signed Rich Gannon and Steve Bono. In 1997, they signed Elvis Grbac over guys like Chris Chandler and Jeff George. They drafted Mike Elkins and Matt Blundin, along with Steve Stenstrom and others.

The point being is that they made an concerted effort to bring in a quality QB in order to "Win Now", because outside of the QB, the Chiefs WERE ready to "Win Now". Now obviously, they weren't as successful as we all had hoped but you can't scoff at them for not trying.

OTOH, Pioli's done an above average job at roster construction the past few years with the exception of QB. Fine, trade for Matt Cassel. But don't stop there - bring in veteran talent to compete, continue to draft guys and do your damnedest to get that Franchise guy on your roster.

So far, he's failed, which is why the Chiefs continue to fail.

whoman69 · 07-31-2012, 04:44 PM

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You know the intent here. It's not a "wasted career," as a guy like Gonzo has had a fantastic one. But they're wasted opportunities.

The '93-'98 were absolutely wasteful in this sense, and Pioli is working diligently to reconstruct the team using Carl's blueprint.

Hardly Carl's blueprint at all. Carl couldn't draft to save his life. On a yearly basis he drafted a 5th round talent in the 2nd round and it showed. To make up for that he went after big free costly agents to fill holes tht usually didn't pan out and sent us into cap hell every year. How is Pioli like that again?

**DeezNutz** · 07-31-2012, 04:48 PM

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Hardly Carl's blueprint at all. Carl couldn't draft to save his life. On a yearly basis he drafted a 5th round talent in the 2nd round and it showed. To make up for that he went after big free costly agents to fill holes tht usually didn't pan out and sent us into cap hell every year. How is Pioli like that again?

Build the defense. Run the ball. Protect the football. Acquire someone else's backup.

We've never seen this before.

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-31-2012, 04:49 PM

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Hardly Carl's blueprint at all. Carl couldn't draft to save his life. On a yearly basis he drafted a 5th round talent in the 2nd round and it showed. To make up for that he went after big free costly agents to fill holes tht usually didn't pan out and sent us into cap hell every year. How is Pioli like that again?

Holy shit, this is ****ing nonsense.

With the fourth selection of the 1989 draft, Carl selected Derrick Thomas. With the third selection of the 2009 draft, Pioli drafted Tyson Jackson.

The selection of Thomas set this franchise on fire and brought it to heights it hadn't seen since the 60's. The selection of Tyson Jackson has brought the Chiefs nothing. Two losing seasons out of three.

To further that notion, Peterson drafted another Hall of Famer in Will Shields in 1993 and yet ANOTHER Hall of Famer in Tony Gonzalez in 1997. Three Hall of Famers in eight years, two in the first four.

I doubt Pioli has drafted a Ring of Honor player during his four drafts, let alone two Hall of Famers.

**DeezNutz** · 07-31-2012, 04:51 PM

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The difference between Carl's first five years and Pioli's first five years is that Carl and Marty really tried hard to find a solution at QB. They had DeBerg and brought in Kreig. They traded for Joe Montana, signed Rich Gannon and Steve Bono. In 1997, they signed Elvis Grbac over guys like Chris Chandler and Jeff George. They drafted Mike Elkins and Matt Blundin, along with Steve Stenstrom and others.

The point being is that they made an concerted effort to bring in a quality QB in order to "Win Now", because outside of the QB, the Chiefs WERE ready to "Win Now". Now obviously, they weren't as successful as we all had hoped but you can't scoff at them for not trying.

OTOH, Pioli's done an above average job at roster construction the past few years with the exception of QB. Fine, trade for Matt Cassel. But don't stop there - bring in veteran talent to compete, continue to draft guys and do your damnedest to get that Franchise guy on your roster.

So far, he's failed, which is why the Chiefs continue to fail.

I guess. But these efforts were almost always centered around someone else's guy, and this is a "safer" approach. There's no way of getting around this fact, and this is what has guaranteed mediocrity.

**DeezNutz** · 07-31-2012, 04:52 PM

And Carl's draft picks remain the key playmakers on this team.

Berry can begin to change this, so can Brokaki if he can prove a name change.

There were a lot of misses in the draft in Carl's years, but I think this has been pretty well documented that a lot of mistakes were b/c Peterson gave way too much control to coaches, and bringing Vermeil on board was a terrible, terrible combination.

**Rausch** · 07-31-2012, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Build the defense. Run the ball. Protect the football. Acquire someone else's backup.

We've never seen this before.

To me the big difference is that while Carl couldn't draft a QB to save his life he was smart enough to cut his losses and try again.

Pioli can't correct the problem if he won't admit he has one...

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-31-2012, 04:56 PM

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I guess. But these efforts were almost always centered around someone else's guy, and this is a "safer" approach. There's no way of getting around this fact, and this is what has guaranteed mediocrity.

Yes and no. Peterson made a great effort in 1993. He traded for Joe Montana with his first round pick, then drafted Matt Blundin in the second round. He had the right idea but it didn't work.

He continued that with Bono and Steve Stenstrom in 1995 but it didn't work out either. He had Grbac and Gannon on the same roster, which turned out to be disastrous and destroyed the locker room, which is why I think he avoided bringing in a young guy once Green was entrenched as the starter.

A lot of people tend to forget Peterson's early days in KC because of the way things ended 19 years later but in his first decade, he pretty much did everything he could to make Kansas City a winner.

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-31-2012, 04:57 PM

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To me the big difference is that while Carl couldn't draft a QB to save his life he was smart enough to cut his losses and try again.

Pioli can't correct the problem if he won't admit he has one...

Carl didn't have any luck with drafting QB's but you can't accuse him of not trying.

Slick Scotty on the other hand...

**DeezNutz** · 07-31-2012, 04:59 PM

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Yes and no. Peterson made a great effort in 1993. He traded for Joe Montana with his first round pick, then drafted Matt Blundin in the second round. He had the right idea but it didn't work.

He continued that with Bono and Steve Stenstrom in 1995 but it didn't work out either. He had Grbac and Gannon on the same roster, which turned out to be disastrous and destroyed the locker room, which is why I think he avoided bringing in a young guy once Green was entrenched as the starter.

A lot of people tend to forget Peterson's early days in KC because of the way things ended 19 years later but in his first decade, he pretty much did everything he could to make Kansas City a winner.

The Montana move was indeed risky, and one could argue that it was ultimately a mistake. First rounder for a AFC title game appearance? Eh, sounds like paradise right now given the level of futility that we've enjoyed watching.

Ultimately, he never put forth a serious effort in the draft; one second-rounder and one third-rounder in 19 years don't qualify in my mind.

The organization will either have to nut up or get really lucky.

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-31-2012, 05:02 PM

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The Montana move was indeed risky, and one could argue that it was ultimately a mistake. First rounder for a AFC title game appearance? Eh, sounds like paradise right now given the level of futility that we've enjoyed watching.

Ultimately, he never put forth a serious effort in the draft; one second-rounder and one third-rounder in 19 years don't qualify in my mind.

The organization will either have to nut up or get really lucky.

Actually, Mike Elkins was a #2, Matt Blundin was a #2, Steve Stenstrom was a #4, etc. Stenstrom was well thought of at the time, even though he never suited up for the Chiefs.

Anyway, Carl KNEW they were in "Win Now" mode in the 90's and did his best to "Win Now". I don't get that feeling from Pioli, due to the fact that Dwayne Bowe is unsigned, Brandon Carr was allowed to walk, Kyle Orton wasn't re-signed and no QB was drafted in 2012.

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