Windows 8

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by kaplin42

LOL. Change is hard.

Especially when it's completely counter-intuitive...

Not all change is good.

[007]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Especially when it's completely counter-intuitive...

Not all change is good.

I have always hated that moniker.

Change is good. ugh

I had a manager that would say that shit all the time. Unbearable. Company went out of business after I decided I had enough of it. Guess change was good.

[kaplin42]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Especially when it's completely counter-intuitive...

Not all change is good.

It's not really counter-intuitive. Swiping left from right to switch between programs, not that hard of a concept to grasp.

But lets say that some of the stuff isn't obvious (heaven forbid), there is a place on the internet called youtube. why not look up a 10 minute video that shows you how to use the system. Is it really that hard of a concept.

Everyone bitches about the "NO ****ING START MENU" thing. Hello, the Metro is the start menu. Right click the tiles (if not a touch screen) and edit the start menu the way you want it. It's a hell of a lot easier than the previous versions fly out menus of a traditional start menu. Or I don't know, just type in the name of the program/file you want and it will find it for you.

You're right not all change is good, but no change can be good if one isn't willing to invest at least a small amount of effort in learning what the change was and how to use it. Quite frankly, Win 8 is fine, it's not even complicated to use if you just take 5 minutes to figure out instead of wanting to be spoon fed everything. Microsoft could have done a lot better on the delivery, and maybe a couple of actual built in tutorials, but for the most part, the issue does not land at the operating systems feet. It is a solid, stable, and remarkably fast OS.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by kaplin42

It's not really counter-intuitive. Swiping left from right to switch between programs, not that hard of a concept to grasp.

But lets say that some of the stuff isn't obvious (heaven forbid), there is a place on the internet called youtube. why not look up a 10 minute video that shows you how to use the system. Is it really that hard of a concept.

Everyone bitches about the "NO ****ING START MENU" thing. Hello, the Metro is the start menu. Right click the tiles (if not a touch screen) and edit the start menu the way you want it. It's a hell of a lot easier than the previous versions fly out menus of a traditional start menu. Or I don't know, just type in the name of the program/file you want and it will find it for you.

You're right not all change is good, but no change can be good if one isn't willing to invest at least a small amount of effort in learning what the change was and how to use it. Quite frankly, Win 8 is fine, it's not even complicated to use if you just take 5 minutes to figure out instead of wanting to be spoon fed everything. Microsoft could have done a lot better on the delivery, and maybe a couple of actual built in tutorials, but for the most part, the issue does not land at the operating systems feet. It is a solid, stable, and remarkably fast OS.

Listen to yourself. You're suggesting that people should have to watch a 10 minute video just to learn how to navigate a new version of an OS that they've been comfortably using for decades. When you're used to keyboard and mouse, swiping left and right is not intuitive.

The Start menu has been a foundational component in the Windows OS for over a decade. They removed it, and didn't bother to explain why or how to easily navigate without it. It's obviously become an issue if major manufacturers are "Bringing back Win7 by popular demand". And even fans of Win8 like yourself admit that you have to watch a 10 minute video to figure it out.

There's nothing wrong with change. But it's been well over a year since Win8 was released, and still all people can say about it is that the changes suck hard. There are countless positives to Win8, but even now they've been completely overshadowed by how shitty they implemented the Metro part. That all adds up to epic fail on M$'s part.

[kaplin42]

Listen to you, saying that having to put forth some effort and learn something new is a bad thing.

Change happens, like it or not. The "classic" windows feel was going to have to change sooner or later. It couldn't stay the same forever, and people are upset over it. I get it, but I also don't understand how it is so hard to just move on.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by kaplin42

It's not really counter-intuitive. Swiping left from right to switch between programs, not that hard of a concept to grasp.

Yeah, except for the programs that use the traditional desktop way and work in a completely different way

[kaplin42]

Originally Posted by loochy

Yeah, except for the programs that use the traditional desktop way and work in a completely different way

????

Word, Outlook, Steam, Chrome, IE, Quickbooks all work the same. Please understand, there is a fantastically shitty Internet Explorer App, that by all means should be removed from the system and M$ should just beg for forgiveness on that one, but the normal desktop version of IE works just fine, or rather, as well as any version of IE has.

The apps that you get from the app store are going to be of the same caliber of software that you get from Apple's app store, meaning that it's a streamlined program, with less features and functionality. These would include all of the tiles you see when you first boot a Win 8 machine out of the box. The mail, people, social, weather, finances, music tiles are all apps, and honestly, I just right-click and unpin them. I don't like clutter on my desktop or Metro (start menu) and personally I never did and never will use stuff like that. I didn't use gadgets in Vista or 7 and I don't use those apps in 8. But if you install Microsoft Office, it will run exactly like it always has in any other version of Windows.

Please understand, I get 8's faults too, I could list half a dozen things off the top of my head that M$ did that makes me scratch my head. But the stuff I'm seeing in this thread is really just not understanding how to use the OS.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by kaplin42

It's not really counter-intuitive. Swiping left from right to switch between programs, not that hard of a concept to grasp.

"Swiping" at all, when you have a regular mouse rather than a touchpad or touchscreen, is ABSOLUTELY counter-intuitive.

Kudos to Microsoft for doing what Apple and Google are doing - trying to create a ubiquitous experience across all Windows devices.

The problem is that Microsoft has ZERO control over PC hardware on the market, unlike Apple and Google, who tightly control not only tablet and smartphone devices, but also their desktop computing devices.

The standard PC out there is not a tablet or touchpad and Windows 8 is not built for it. It will get there with time. Microsoft is more just a victim of bad timing. Great idea but a little too soon.

Originally Posted by kaplin42

You're right not all change is good, but no change can be good if one isn't willing to invest at least a small amount of effort in learning what the change was and how to use it. Quite frankly, Win 8 is fine, it's not even complicated to use if you just take 5 minutes to figure out instead of wanting to be spoon fed everything. Microsoft could have done a lot better on the delivery, and maybe a couple of actual built in tutorials, but for the most part, the issue does not land at the operating systems feet. It is a solid, stable, and remarkably fast OS.

You do realize that there's a large (very large, in fact) contingent of PC buyers out there that are functionally illiterate when it comes to computer and have no choice but to use Windows 8 because that's what is being shipped, right?

Some people - a lot of people - NEED to be spoon fed. They're not everyday power users like we are.

[Gravedigger]

If history has taught us anything is that XP was great, Vista was shit, 7 was great, 8 was shit, 9 should be.... SHOULD BE..... great....

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Gravedigger

If history has taught us anything is that XP was great, Vista was shit, 7 was great, 8 was shit, 9 should be.... SHOULD BE..... great....

Yeah, it pretty much goes all the way back to 95 (and maybe even further, but I don't know much about pre-Windows 3.1 systems):

95 - Dramatic overhaul of the OS, but pretty buggy.
98 - Much more reliable. Not a ton of new features comparatively.
ME - Abortion in terms of reliability. Started toward a more visually pleasing GUI.
XP - Brought the stability of the NT branch into the GUI of the consumer branch.
Vista - Revamped a lot of the OS. Buggy as hell.
7 - Didn't change much. Works great.
8 - Pretty reliable, but horrible GUI integration and rollout.
9 - Much better implementation of whatever they're trying to push us toward so that it doesn't seem so awkward?

[pr_capone]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Yeah, it pretty much goes all the way back to 95 (and maybe even further, but I don't know much about pre-Windows 3.1 systems):

95 - Dramatic overhaul of the OS, but pretty buggy.
98 - Much more reliable. Not a ton of new features comparatively.
ME - Abortion in terms of reliability. Started toward a more visually pleasing GUI.
XP - Brought the stability of the NT branch into the GUI of the consumer branch.
Vista - Revamped a lot of the OS. Buggy as hell.
7 - Didn't change much. Works great.
8 - Pretty reliable, but horrible GUI integration and rollout.
9 - Much better implementation of whatever they're trying to push us toward so that it doesn't seem so awkward?

You left off Windows 2000 which was fantastic. (yes it was in the NT family but it was a perfectly legit user OS)

[Fat Elvis]

I think I am the only person in the universe that really likes Windows 8. Well, myself and my 8 year old daughter.

Windows 8 is SUPER easy. It may be too easy and that is where a lot of the frustration comes from, if you ask me.

[kcxiv]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

I think I am the only person in the universe that really likes Windows 8. Well, myself and my 8 year old daughter.

Windows 8 is SUPER easy. It may be too easy and that is where a lot of the frustration comes from, if you ask me.

Doesnt bother me at all. I only do general internet surfing and use my PC as a media center.

[kaplin42]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

I think I am the only person in the universe that really likes Windows 8. Well, myself and my 8 year old daughter.

Windows 8 is SUPER easy. It may be too easy and that is where a lot of the frustration comes from, if you ask me.

I'm right there with you, I think 8 is great, even with a desktop and no touch screen. 8.1 is even better.