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**BossChief** · 03-20-2014, 10:34 PM

I have read a lot of negativity towards the upcoming season and I'm not sure why. I think that we are gonna be reasonably better.

Lots of "oh my god, we lost 5 starters"

"Oh my god, we play a hard schedule."

Blah blah blah.

1) We upgraded from Tyson Jackson to a young DL that can rush the passer. Tyson was a good fit for 90s football, but guys that get 2-3 pressures per game like Walker are a much better fit for todays NFL...especially in this division.

2) KENDRICK LEWIS IS NO LONGER A CHIEF.

3) Dexter McCluster is a decent possession receiver, but is easily replaceable...even by a guy like Jason Avant.

4) Losing Albert sucks, but Eric Fisher was universally thought of as a "special" talent as a left tackle. If he takes this offseason seriously, it's possible he starts to show flashes of that for us next year. The guy has battled thumb and shoulder problems all year and its possible we even get an upgrade over Albert by seasons end if every scout turns out to be right. Albert was missing a lot of recent time to injury and I wish him the best, but it's possible his injury problems persist.

5) Asamoah and Schwartz both played well (even though Asamoah seemed off, he graded out very well) and its a shame to lose both of them, but right guards aren't something you invest almost 5 million a year on...that's Emmanuel Sanders money. We have 2 guards as depth that played well when called upon and its not like either Schwartz or Asamoah were irreplaceable.

6) Getting Travis Kelce back has a chance to be a game changer. The guy was catching everything in camp and Alex Smith trusted him. That's intriguing because his strength is blocking. If he can come back from that nasty injury/surgery with trust in his knee, he will be our starter at tight end and will be the best one we have had since Tony Gonzalez. Anyone that knows me and my interest in Tony Moeaki knows that's a big statement.

7) A full year and offseason in the defense for Marcus Cooper. He got here as a waiver cut late in PS last year and showed a lot of promise until Houston and Hali both got hurt and our pass rush went to sleep. He knows what it's gonna take to develop his skills and has a lot of film to study to work on homing his skills into the system.

8) DUNTA ROBINSON IS NO LONGER ON THE TEAM.

9) Sanders Commings has a lot of speed and playmaking ability and lost the year to injury...but will infuse the defense with speed once he gets on the field. Can't be worse than Demps/Lewis and has a lot of upside.

10) Knile Davis showed top end ability in camp and performed nicely when called upon when Jamaal went down. He got the taste of what a starting NFL running back feels like and that should drive him to turn it up next year.

11) Husain Abdullah playing more. This guy made plays whenever he got on the field and that time should increase this year. He was offered a long term deal for good starter money with Minnesota before we took his pilgrimage and by years end was a highly effective player.

12) Alex Smith was in his first year with the receivers last year and it took awhile to get up to speed with everyone, but when he did, the offense was able to score a lot of points and move the ball effectively. Andy Reid knows QBs and has wanted Alex Smith for years...in the playoff game, it showed why that is. The guy can be a playmaker and its possible that he play at that level all year for us.

13) Dwayne Bowe took awhile to get up to speed, too...but once Alex Started throwing him the ball, he was pretty effective and it sparked the offense. This is a big year for Bowe and lets hope he and Alex are able to continue the chemistry they showed in the playoff game. I can definitely see Bowe having a big year in 2014.

14) This draft is amazingly deep in the exact positions that we have needs at. Safety, WR, OL, TE...it's a big opportunity to seriously upgrade this team. Those picks in rounds 3-6 are gonna carry a huge premium over the quality of talent usually available at those spots in the draft.

15) Brandon Flowers being healthy. He battled injuries all year and we probably win in Indy if he doesn't get hurt.

16) Scheme continuity. The coaching staffs stayed in place, so the players come into year 2 being able to play faster due to thinking less.

17) The second wave of free agency. This draft class is gonna cause a trickle down effect on the veterans in the NFL because teams will want to start a great deal of guys from this draft and that will lead to a lot of tams releasing higher priced veterans in June...a lot of them will have plenty of gas left in the tank and those are the guys that Dorsey will want to shop for due to the value.

I guess I don't fully understand why there isn't a larger group of posters that are willing to predict a record better than last years...or at least winning 10 or more games.

This isn't the lame coaching staffs we have had the last 10 years, these guys are legit. I don't see them regressing with all this talent. Remember, before last year we thought the 2013 schedule was gonna be a murderers row and look how it panned out, you never know.

I'm thinking 10-11 wins is a lock and more wins than that are possible.

HoneyBadger · 03-20-2014, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

The only irreplaceable player we lost was Albert. Agree or disagree?

It's not about who we lost, it's about what we didn't do to get better in FA- while other teams capitalized.

RustShack · 03-20-2014, 11:03 PM

Of course a team will be better their second year in a system than they were their first.

**BossChief** · 03-20-2014, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

*Commings and Kelce have done nothing to this point. They're Kris Wilson until proven otherwise.
*There is no definitive blindside protector.
*The schedule is likely going to be extremely difficult
*There is one game-breaking player on offense
*The safety position has still not improved
*There are only two legitimate pass rushers
*There is no continuity on the interior line, and few proven players
*The defense did not play a single good game against a team with a legitimate, healthy QB.

The '14 Chiefs are more likely to win 4 games than 11.

*Commings and Kelce can't be worse than the guys they are replacing.
*true, but even when Albert went down we got solid play from Stephenson.
*Its probable, but you never know. Everyone though last years schedule was gonna be tough, too.
*We scored over 40 points without Charles.
*Safety improved by letting Demps and Lewis walk.
*Walker had a lot of pressures and Poe can rush the passer, too.
*Agreed on the interior line.
*Ouch

Iconic · 03-20-2014, 11:04 PM

Sanders is a wild card.
Kelce is coming off a knee injury.
Abdullah was good in limited snaps, but can he maintain that sort of play as a starter?
All our core players are a year older and slowly leaving their prime
Technically, losing Tyson Jackson makes us worse against the run
... and we still have a ton of holes and no 2nd pick in the deepest draft in the NFL.

If everyone does pan out, then sure, we'll be better, but that's not changing how difficult our schedule is this season.

keg in kc · 03-20-2014, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

If our win totals were inflated, then why did we lose one SD game to complete bullshit and the other on a last second miracle catch?

I think after you balance things out, we ended up right where we should have been.

My main point was that, as other people have said, I think they can be a better team in 2014 yet win fewer games. In order to win 10 or 11, I believe they'd have to improve a great deal at a number of positions that have already been pointed out by others. To me it's not as much about whether the lost players were irreplaceable, but rather whether the signed or internally-promoted replacements are significant enough improvements over the released guys (many of whom are/were 'jags' in my opinion). And I'm not certain at this point whether or not they are.

But then, you have to quantify what "as good or better" means. If you're talking about level of play, then yes I believe the 2014 team can surpass the 2013. If you're talking about wins and losses, then you already know my thoughts there...

Rasputin · 03-20-2014, 11:05 PM

On paper this looks like a tough schedule and I'm sure it is but one thing to remember is that a lot of years the good teams can take a slide back and the bad teams are the ones that take surprise and watch out for.

I think some of the tough teams we play on paper wont be that good when we play them.

I think we can be a better team and still go 8-8 nothing to leap for joy, but at least we wont get crushed in the playoffs.

I only care about winning in the playoffs or don't go.

staylor26 · 03-20-2014, 11:27 PM

I'm pretty confident that whoever ends up replacing McCluster and Lewis will be upgrades. Mays is basically the same player as Jordan, but gives our defense some attitude that's been missing.

Walker is a better all-around player and probably an upgrade over Jackson. Bailey and Catapano should continue to develop.

Our line will probably take a few steps back from where they were at the end of last season, but we will have more weapons with the addition of Kelce and potential draft picks.

We will likely come out this draft and the rest of the offseason with an upgrade at WR, more pass rush/OLB depth, a young potential starter at OG, competition at KR and PR, and more depth at CB.

Poe, Houston, and Berry will continue to make strides. As should Cooper, Catapano, Bailey, Parker, Knile, Hudson, Fisher, Stephenson, and Jenkins. Kelce and Commings give us two more young talents already on the roster.

I just don't see any reason to panic right now. We will improve overall, and our offense and the defense won't pull that tale of two seasons bs again. I expect to get a wild card spot again, but get this monkey off our back and win a playoff game.

Saccopoo · 03-20-2014, 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

The only irreplaceable player we lost was Albert. Agree or disagree?

Disagree.

Albert is/was totally replaceable.

And we replaced him with one of two guys (Fisher or Stephenson) who already are more technically sound that he ever was with higher ceilings.

One decent season that he only played 12 games in with three other seasons that were substandard does not make Albert irreplaceable.

RunKC · 03-20-2014, 11:33 PM

I'll tell you after the draft. Hoping to get at least 3 rookies who are making an impact this year.

Titty Meat · 03-20-2014, 11:36 PM

This board also said the 2012 Chiefs were a playoff contender.

**BossChief** · 03-20-2014, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chocolate Hog

This board also said the 2012 Chiefs were a playoff contender.

Romeo Crennel
Scott Pioli
Matt Cassel

Andy Reid
John Dorsey
Alex Smith

Big difference.

I think it's possible that Alex Smith has a really big year in 2014.

Maybe even 4000 yards and 30tds

**RealSNR** · 03-20-2014, 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chocolate Hog

This board also said the 2012 Chiefs were a playoff contender.

And that the 2013 Chiefs were a playoff contender.

ThaVirus · 03-20-2014, 11:41 PM

I thought Jamaal would have an even bigger year coming up but, with all this offensive line shuffling, now I'm not so sure.

This coming season is one big ****ing mystery...

**BossChief** · 03-20-2014, 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR

And that the 2013 Chiefs were a playoff contender.

If we didnt have an unbelievable string of injuries to key players, we would have won at least 1 playoff game.

Titty Meat · 03-20-2014, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

Romeo Crennel
Scott Pioli
Matt Cassel

Andy Reid
John Dorsey
Alex Smith

Big difference.

I think it's possible that Alex Smith has a really big year in 2014.

Maybe even 4000 yards and 30tds

If they get a guy like Beckham maybe but like Hamas said not all the guys you listed will work out. Theres more questions than answers on this roster IMO and while you could argue that letting some of these guys go were average players and not much different than the guys replacing sure maybe but then I would argue we are at least thinner on depth. The way I look at is theres more holes than resources at this point with only 6 picks and 5 mil in cap.

Bob Sutton?

Who fills in for commings or Abdullah if they get hurt?

What if Cooper still plays without confidence?

What if Charles gets hurt?

Who's the #2 WR?

Who's the starting right guard? What happens if they get hurt?

What if Fisher doesn't improve or gets hurt again?

Those are just some examples.

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03-20-2014, 10:34 PM
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $1674088	Late Night Bullshit: The 2014 Chiefs > The 2013 Chiefs I have read a lot of negativity towards the upcoming season and I'm not sure why. I think that we are gonna be reasonably better. Lots of "oh my god, we lost 5 starters" "Oh my god, we play a hard schedule." Blah blah blah. 1) We upgraded from Tyson Jackson to a young DL that can rush the passer. Tyson was a good fit for 90s football, but guys that get 2-3 pressures per game like Walker are a much better fit for todays NFL...especially in this division. 2) KENDRICK LEWIS IS NO LONGER A CHIEF. 3) Dexter McCluster is a decent possession receiver, but is easily replaceable...even by a guy like Jason Avant. 4) Losing Albert sucks, but Eric Fisher was universally thought of as a "special" talent as a left tackle. If he takes this offseason seriously, it's possible he starts to show flashes of that for us next year. The guy has battled thumb and shoulder problems all year and its possible we even get an upgrade over Albert by seasons end if every scout turns out to be right. Albert was missing a lot of recent time to injury and I wish him the best, but it's possible his injury problems persist. 5) Asamoah and Schwartz both played well (even though Asamoah seemed off, he graded out very well) and its a shame to lose both of them, but right guards aren't something you invest almost 5 million a year on...that's Emmanuel Sanders money. We have 2 guards as depth that played well when called upon and its not like either Schwartz or Asamoah were irreplaceable. 6) Getting Travis Kelce back has a chance to be a game changer. The guy was catching everything in camp and Alex Smith trusted him. That's intriguing because his strength is blocking. If he can come back from that nasty injury/surgery with trust in his knee, he will be our starter at tight end and will be the best one we have had since Tony Gonzalez. Anyone that knows me and my interest in Tony Moeaki knows that's a big statement. 7) A full year and offseason in the defense for Marcus Cooper. He got here as a waiver cut late in PS last year and showed a lot of promise until Houston and Hali both got hurt and our pass rush went to sleep. He knows what it's gonna take to develop his skills and has a lot of film to study to work on homing his skills into the system. 8) DUNTA ROBINSON IS NO LONGER ON THE TEAM. 9) Sanders Commings has a lot of speed and playmaking ability and lost the year to injury...but will infuse the defense with speed once he gets on the field. Can't be worse than Demps/Lewis and has a lot of upside. 10) Knile Davis showed top end ability in camp and performed nicely when called upon when Jamaal went down. He got the taste of what a starting NFL running back feels like and that should drive him to turn it up next year. 11) Husain Abdullah playing more. This guy made plays whenever he got on the field and that time should increase this year. He was offered a long term deal for good starter money with Minnesota before we took his pilgrimage and by years end was a highly effective player. 12) Alex Smith was in his first year with the receivers last year and it took awhile to get up to speed with everyone, but when he did, the offense was able to score a lot of points and move the ball effectively. Andy Reid knows QBs and has wanted Alex Smith for years...in the playoff game, it showed why that is. The guy can be a playmaker and its possible that he play at that level all year for us. 13) Dwayne Bowe took awhile to get up to speed, too...but once Alex Started throwing him the ball, he was pretty effective and it sparked the offense. This is a big year for Bowe and lets hope he and Alex are able to continue the chemistry they showed in the playoff game. I can definitely see Bowe having a big year in 2014. 14) This draft is amazingly deep in the exact positions that we have needs at. Safety, WR, OL, TE...it's a big opportunity to seriously upgrade this team. Those picks in rounds 3-6 are gonna carry a huge premium over the quality of talent usually available at those spots in the draft. 15) Brandon Flowers being healthy. He battled injuries all year and we probably win in Indy if he doesn't get hurt. 16) Scheme continuity. The coaching staffs stayed in place, so the players come into year 2 being able to play faster due to thinking less. 17) The second wave of free agency. This draft class is gonna cause a trickle down effect on the veterans in the NFL because teams will want to start a great deal of guys from this draft and that will lead to a lot of tams releasing higher priced veterans in June...a lot of them will have plenty of gas left in the tank and those are the guys that Dorsey will want to shop for due to the value. I guess I don't fully understand why there isn't a larger group of posters that are willing to predict a record better than last years...or at least winning 10 or more games. This isn't the lame coaching staffs we have had the last 10 years, these guys are legit. I don't see them regressing with all this talent. Remember, before last year we thought the 2013 schedule was gonna be a murderers row and look how it panned out, you never know. I'm thinking 10-11 wins is a lock and more wins than that are possible.
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03-20-2014, 11:05 PM	#21
Rasputin Tip of the hat LIV Champs Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: ks Casino cash: $3285421	On paper this looks like a tough schedule and I'm sure it is but one thing to remember is that a lot of years the good teams can take a slide back and the bad teams are the ones that take surprise and watch out for. I think some of the tough teams we play on paper wont be that good when we play them. I think we can be a better team and still go 8-8 nothing to leap for joy, but at least we wont get crushed in the playoffs. I only care about winning in the playoffs or don't go.
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03-20-2014, 11:27 PM	#22
staylor26 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2007 Casino cash: $1569040	I'm pretty confident that whoever ends up replacing McCluster and Lewis will be upgrades. Mays is basically the same player as Jordan, but gives our defense some attitude that's been missing. Walker is a better all-around player and probably an upgrade over Jackson. Bailey and Catapano should continue to develop. Our line will probably take a few steps back from where they were at the end of last season, but we will have more weapons with the addition of Kelce and potential draft picks. We will likely come out this draft and the rest of the offseason with an upgrade at WR, more pass rush/OLB depth, a young potential starter at OG, competition at KR and PR, and more depth at CB. Poe, Houston, and Berry will continue to make strides. As should Cooper, Catapano, Bailey, Parker, Knile, Hudson, Fisher, Stephenson, and Jenkins. Kelce and Commings give us two more young talents already on the roster. I just don't see any reason to panic right now. We will improve overall, and our offense and the defense won't pull that tale of two seasons bs again. I expect to get a wild card spot again, but get this monkey off our back and win a playoff game.
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